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How do you know Hevi-shot kills a few yards further ?

Hevi-shot.....most everything about it is just advertising hogwash.

Like their claim you can knock down in shot size and still have the performance of the bigger shot size....that's bull. Now days you have guys trying to shoot turkeys with the really small sizes of shot (8's 9's and even 10's)....Looks great on paper.

It's great in a perfect world....but everyone's not Annie Oakley and things happen in the real world of hunting.

What happens when things go bad and you hit the turkey in the body with the small shot ? I've shot turkeys with 4,5's and 7's.....I'm back to #4's for good 'Hard-shot' or lead

Ok. Facts are facts. It plain penetrates better then lead hands down. Fact in point. Two years ago I decided instead of lugging some monster 12 gauge around to hunt turkey's I wanted to carry a very light 20 gauge Remington 870 with factory short barrel. I bought a ton of ammo of everything out there. You name it, I bought it. I also bought several different chokes tubes as well. Loads of investment dollars, but I wanted to do it right.

Lots of testing revealed for me (your results may vary of course) that the only good factory lead load out there was the Winchester XX number 5's. At 40 yards measured I could consistently place 90 hits in a 10" circle at 40 yards. That was pretty good, but I felt that pattern was still a big sketchy and had some holes. Thus I went to hevi-shot and tried the same thing, but went for size 6 (because they are supposed to hit like 5's). Pellet count went up to 130 (10" circle 40 yards) and I left it at that.

The following year, the rage was Nitro Ray had come out with a 3" 20 gauge load using hevi-shot pellets in size 7. Tried them out and my goodness. Pellet count went off the chart. The same rig was now providing over 200 hits at 40 yards using the Nitro Ray size 7's. Lastly, I decide how hard can them pellets be hitting as they are small. So I set up another test. I took a 1/4" sheet of new plywood, taped a turkey target to it and touched off a round of size 7's at the measured 40 yards. Without fail, the at least 75% of the pellets completely penetrated the plywood at 40 yards. Bingo, that's penetration. I then tried the same thing using Winchester size 6's XX load and none of them penetrated the plywood.

PS. Hevi-shot is indeed the real deal, or pro's wouldn't be using them.

Double PS. All the above said, I killed two turkey's last year. One was shot at 11 yards, the other at 10 yards. The year before I killed a bird at 9 yards. My day of experimenting with Hevi-shot are probably over, as I'd rather kill them close with a classic double then farther away with my tricked out SBE. Anyway, my 2 cents.

Joe, you can't compare rifle ballistics and shotgun ballistics. You start doing that and you start thinking that the best pellet is the softest one . . . expands, like bullets, thus more damage. Doesn't work, because you go too soft and the pellets deform, fly out of the pattern. With shot it's penetration that kills . . . reaching something vital. So we compare retained energy. Lead retains more than steel because it's heavier; HS retains more than lead because it's heavier than lead. Thus more penetration. Thus, the reason you can shoot smaller HS and get the same results as with larger lead pellets is the same reason you can shoot smaller lead and get the same results as with larger steel pellets. Consistent reasoning, right down the line. Not to mention that HS patterns tighter than lead (due to hardness). You can thus use a slightly lighter load of HS in comparison to lead to get the same results, because you need to use larger lead pellets to make up for HS's greater retained energy.

A 7 Hevi-shot pellet is not heavier than a 7 lead pellet...it's harder like some folks headZzzz

This is what Remington says about it:

Hevi-Shot as now loaded by Remington is the newest player in the nontoxic-shot game. Composed of tungsten, nickel and iron, it is the heaviest of the nontoxics. At a density of 12.0 gms/cc, it is heavier even than lead.

So, if a size 7 hevishot pellet and a size 7 lead pellet were weighed, the hevi-shot pellet would be denser and therefore weigh more then a equal size lead pellet. PS. Unless Remington is full of mud.

I've already weighed them....you try it and get back to me.

I stopped shooting the Nitro 4x5x7 Hevi-shot Tri-plex load because on several occasions the 7's failed to penetrate and were found just under the hide.

I shot them for free....I traded him a call for a lifetime supply of his ammo (that I will never collect on by choice). Fact is my picture is on his website in the success section....he also has some calls listed he's selling that I made. It's kinda sad a guy would try and profit on something that I most likely gave him.

I've got no dog in this hunt either way, but will pass along some info that I have learned about Hevi-Shot. My good friend and maker of Comp-N-Choke, Kick's High Flyer and Vortex choke tubes, Charlie Boswell, has his shop and office on the land that he leases me to farm. I've been in his business regularly ever since Hevi-Shot came out and know that he warrants his chokes for shooting everything on the market, EXCEPT Hevi-Shot. You would be amazed at the number of tubes customers have returned to him over the years that were split or otherwise damaged beyond use by shooters using Hevi-Shot. I have personally seen many of them, and the users admit they were using Hevi-Shot. The stuff is so hard that when it tries to pass through a very tight constriction it sometimes won't make it without bridging and ruining the tube and many times the barrel as well.

Again, I've got no interest in either company, but am just reporting what I've seen. Anyone who wants to debate it is free to call Charlie's shop at 912-829-3936 and hear it from the "horse's mouth".

Stan

I've got "no dog" in it either.....

It just makes me sick that people are so fooled by advertising hype that they will shoot a 25lb bird with pixie dust for shot size just because some bO-zos says it okay.

When in truth all the small shot does is give the user a false sence of security because he sees lots of little holes in a piece of paper.

I recall a while back where one of the Scentlock suit companies got sued because the suit didn't work like it was claimed.

Maybe a good lawyer needs to get a hold of Hevi-shot because of some of their false claims.

Joe,
If you really feel that way about Hevi-shot why don't you ask them to remove your two pictures using their product listed on their website (nice birds btw). Seems to me by having your pictures posted there you are endorsing their product.

I have never used any of the stuff, too rich for my bloodPlus I love my old Lefevers too much to risk it. I do recall seeing when it was introduced from several sources that it had a density of 12 gms/cc against 10.9 gms/cc for lead. This would make it heavier by 10%.
I did a google search for Hevi-Shot & from their own website all I could come up with was the density of "Hevi-Metal" shot. This is apparently a diferent mix than their original Hevi-Shot & it was stated to have a density of 10 gms/cc. This would make it about 7% "Lighter" than lead, but was given as 28% heavier than Steel shot @ 7.8 gms/cc.