Tom, I am very familiar with the Nitro Cartridge Company and their turkey loads. I used to dealer for them. What NCC understands is that it doesn't take velocity to kill a turkey at 60 yards, it takes pattern density. Their 3 ounce ten gauge loads use lead shot, not the wasteful hevishot, to make these loads up. Hevishot burns up pellet count at the expense of higher pressure, a lose-lose situation. Hevishot is used when lead is illegal. NCC loaded the 3 ounce ten gauge load down to about 1100 fps. If it had been 1250 FPS, it would have been about the same as the 1100 FPS load at 60 yards at the expense of pattern density and pellet deformation. I won't mention recoil, since it isn't a factor in turkey hunting. I can't imagine what the pressure would be in a three ounce load if it were propelled at 1250 FPS. NCC knew what they were doing. I could have bought enough NCC turkey loads to last a lifetime for less than it would cost me to work up and test one inferior load on my own reloader. The person who is working up that 60 yard turkey load is coming from the wrong direction and using the wrong gun. I have a $400 ten gauge that shoots a 60 yard pattern with steel shot that would kill a turkey before the shot got to him. Ask me to show you the patterns next time I see you.