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Do we need choke? MM says no, it's obsolete. Any choke at all at the distance that we shoot upland birds is too much.
What do you say?
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I say MM has not shot doves at 50 yards in the desert with a smallbore.
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The cross-over point between a blooming full choke and a withering cylinder choke is around 25 yards. If you shoot birds beyond 25 yards, you will benefit from some choke. A thirty five yard full choke pattern will, for practical purposes, be identical in size and shot distribution to a twenty yard cylinder pattern. So, you can have a larger effective diameter by choosing open choke, or the same pattern at longer range by choosing tighter choke. A open choke will retain an ever decreasing effective diameter to long yardages, so you would need to be "rifle" shot to use it. Tight choke will require the same fine marksmanship at short range, but is likely to be destructive of meat. You will have to decide on the trade-offs depending on your target and your range.
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Sidelock
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I need Choke more than I need MM.
Mine's a tale that can't be told, my freedom I hold dear.
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mm uses those italian made b&p loads (aka gucci-mo) containing high antimony premium nickel plated shot that requires little or no choke. for those of us using us made "wranger" loads choke is still needed.
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MM needs to come up with something to write about for every issue of SSM. To avoid repeating himself too often he has to search around in his head for some new bs. Over the years he has been advocating less and less choke so now he has reached all the way to none. His next logical step is the rifled spreader choke and I look forward to his rediscovery of that. Imagine getting paid for writing nonsense.
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as i recall digweed was braking clays at 80 yards with 1/4 choke using gamebore 'pure gold' (very "savile row") so if one is very good no choke is necessary. 
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Darn . . . I shoot Pure Golds on occasion. I thought that I was more Sears Roebuck.  It's harder to tighten a choke via load selection than it is to open it. That being said, cylinder can be pretty deadly at TYPICAL upland ranges. And from what Roster has found in his CONSEP workshops, most hunters would probably be better off with cylinder, and limiting their shots to 30 yards max. But for the ATYPICAL upland opportunities, and for those who can hit reliably beyond 30 yards, choke comes in quite handy.
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