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Geno,
I'm very impressed! Here's a more detailed definition http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Full_Monty_(phrase). I think I've gone off track far enough, I just felt that this was a good time to remind everyone that this board truly does have an international audience.
Steve

Steve:

Thanks for the reminder. I think I'm very aware of the global audience but I've read a good bit of what Geno has published and usually I closely read his posts and even though he may not have command of the English language, he goes to extended efforts to sift thru our chatter here. He's one I'd take some liberties on phrases/colloquialisms and I'm sure if he didn't understand he'd get on my case and ask for a revision.

Here's a Wilcke combo from the same period with what I'd guess to be similar stamps(for now I think the steel type stamp and the forge mark are paired):



I've revisited the "EH/K?" stamp for some time and I'm perplexed as to what it is for now. But I would expect to see a similar set of initials on the DR in question.


Another "EH/K" stamp.


Lovely, just lovely sideplates. I'd guess it to have been made in the post 1912 to pre-1923 period in Suhl. I'd look toward a maker in Suhl who's serial number in the 20k range post 1912. I'll look. The side frame reinforcement might be a key.

And there isn't an Omega on the tube. I was looking at a sidewise "G" from the "Eagle" "Crown" over "G".

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

G with crown has to be on tubes.
Re. lovely plates, I'd say its Belgian style plates, not German, but it was made for Sosnovski...
That's all photos I can show at the moment, maybe later will be more.

If it is EK, then that is a Belgium trademark registered to Pieper. If it is EH, I have no clue.

Pete

I go a little further and say the plates were of Bohemian flare. Yeah, the "G" has to be there and I'd guess the tubes were proofed independent prior to assembly. Can't wait for more.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Here's a clamshell DR with the initials "DH" near the forend lug with a similar "Krupp Stah" stamp and a pair of rhombus.



Wilcke Combo


Geno's puzzle
Maybe the fella had a bigger hammer with which to strike the die with in Geno's puzzle.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Otto Seelig/Bartles combo with similar rhombus stamp.


Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

It appears that GGCA( www.germanguns.com , http://www.germanguns.com/journals.html ) is in the process of assembling info on German gunmakers to address the mound of inquiries: see R019 here: http://www.germanguns.com/books.html . I think R019 is in the process of being updated or has been updated. You might want to check on the update before purchase.


And for those who aren't members, join and support the effort.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Similar mark to the mark in question on a 45-70 Greifeldt clamshell DR. Anyone other than me have an interest in clamshells? If so I'll begin a thread. I'm looking for info on a firearms merchant named Winiecki of Pozan.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

I really didn't want to start another thread and considering who started this one, I thought I'd just add to it.

It would seem that there were at least a couple of Waffenh�ndler Seeligs as a Seelig is listed from the early 1860s on possibly to now. During the very early 1900s up till WWI, target competition winner listings will have a "Seelig, Weimar" and I assume that to be the Seelig we are chasing. During the same time period, around 1907/1908 Otto Seelig filed for DRMG - Gebrauchsmuster 310654 "Vermittels Federn und Stellstift durch einen Druckhebel automatisch bet�tigter erh�hbarer Kolbenteil an Gewehren Otto Seelig - Wiesbaden, Grosse Burgstra�e 6", where he collaborated with some cat named Waffenmeister Stricker of Gro�- Lichterfelde. I think it was similar to the Sauer design below:


Verstellbare Kolbenbacke f�r Fernrohrb�chsen von JP Sauer & Sohn

As Axel E. notes he peddled target pistols as well as rifles and must have been quite the shot himself. He didn't have time to make weapons as he was competing and selling his wares in the same event.



He is also listed as some ordinary member of the Nassau?(Nassauischen) Nature group during this period. But as with all HofB�chsenmachers, it seems that he acquired his title much earlier in the 1860s as a Seelig is found in a Royal Prussian Order list to be sourced I assume. If this is the same Seelig, his title was dubbed from the court centered around the beim 2. Westf�lisches Husaren Regiment Nr. 11, http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/2._West...egiment_Nr._11 , in 1862/1863 or possibly a bit earlier. He did peddle upper rung sporting weapons using the vague Westf�lisches Husaren Regiment, which I consider to be just fluff, by souring the very talented pool of craftsmen in Suhl and the Zella Sankt Blasii-Mehlis area. He also peddled DRs with the very Robust actions like Ideal, etc.

I'll see if I can find a few of the DRs but I am curious which Zella-Mehlis mechanic used the Fleur de Lis or extended Lily.


http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=152194&page=1


Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse