I'm with Jim and Channing. The Turks will have to prove themselves over time before I'm convinced of their quality. Right now, I don't feel like being a test subject. Let someone else blaze that trail. $4k is a lot of money to throw at a gun that the country of origin has a history of producing clunkers, even if the Valier may be controlled better. It takes a long time lots of good product to loose a bad rep. I'd rather spend that on a Spanish gun than Turkish.