Miller, you know of many folks shaving with mug/soap/brush these days? We're talking a product that REPLACED another. Darned if I don't still find Red Dot for sale . . . a whole bunch of it. If you're suggesting that Alliant was trying to phase out Red Dot and replace it with American Select, because the latter has less recoil . . . or Green Dot, for that matter, which has been around far longer than AS . . . well then, apparently their effort was a dismal flop. And I expect you know that Alliant has even gone to the trouble of making "new" Red Dot cleaner burning than their previous formula. So, I repeat: what advantage in trying to promote one powder over another of THEIR OWN powders--especially since it's clear they never had any intention of getting rid of Red Dot?

As for your earlier reference to Thomas and the IMI test on which he reported: Personally, I don't like to make assumptions. You know, the old thing about what happens when you ASS-U-ME. However, given Thomas' experience with guns AND his training as an engineer, I find it hard to accept that he would not have asked about powder weight. Especially so if one of the powders were of the old bulk variety, in which case there would have been a significant weight difference, thus making it very clear why one load would recoil less than the other. But I'll admit we don't know that for sure.