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Re: I read it in a magazine... Jim Legg #185915 04/15/10 10:05 AM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,540 Likes: 3 fort worth, tx rwmckee Sidelock
rwmckee Sidelock Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,540 Likes: 3 fort worth, tx	i had some of Thomas' books and got rid of them because there was nothing in them i needed long term but my recollection parallels millers in that thomas didn't test anything, he reported something done by someone else. as to the weight of the powder in the ejecta, in shotgun shells smokeless powder is of utterly no consequence. 30 grains of powder versus 437.5 grains of shot at least, that's not even 1%. you can calculate the effect but it would take something more precise than a human shoulder to ever detect so the difference in weights between fast and slow powders isn't even worth bringing up. and finally, people need to learn the difference between energy and force. everything mentioned so far relates to kinetic energy which is a function of mass and velocity. unfortunately your shoulder doesn't feel energy; it feels force. force is a function of mass x acceleration. the faster you accelerate a shot charge down the bore the more force is generated. you can shove 1oz of shot out a muzzle at 1100fps that was accelerated slowly up the bore and another oz at same velocity that was accelerated rapidly and you'll get the same kinetic energy of recoil but the FORCE of the latter will be greater. that's an immutable law of physics in the universe we live in and any test that shows results contrary are skewed, biased, jsut flat done wrong or misrepresented to prove a point. annecdotally, i had a flat each of B&P anagrina's and high pheasants. same pressure, IIRC same velocity, and the high pheasants were a heavier payload. the anagrinas are loaded with lighter charge of faster burning powder and were vicious by comparison, so much so i quit shooting them in my A&N SLE because of concerns over what the recoil was doing to the skinny wrist on the gun. by all rights of gough thomas and the kinetic energy math, the field loads should have kicked harder. they didn't. as an aside, anybody know where i can find reloading data on B&P 2.5" shells? i've got 500 of them i can't do anything with. roger

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I read it in a magazine...	mike campbell	04/14/10 02:01 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Jim Legg	04/14/10 02:18 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Dingelfutz	04/14/10 02:28 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	eightbore	04/14/10 02:44 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	tudurgs	04/14/10 03:42 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	L. Brown	04/14/10 03:49 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Chuck H	04/14/10 04:17 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	eightbore	04/14/10 04:34 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Chuck H	04/14/10 05:50 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Jim Legg	04/14/10 07:32 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	2-piper	04/14/10 07:40 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Jim Legg	04/14/10 09:07 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	eightbore	04/14/10 10:38 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Jim Legg	04/14/10 10:49 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	L. Brown	04/14/10 11:45 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	2-piper	04/15/10 03:29 AM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	keith	04/15/10 07:29 AM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	eightbore	04/15/10 12:06 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	keith	04/15/10 04:33 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	2-piper	04/15/10 12:33 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	L. Brown	04/15/10 01:37 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Jim Legg	04/15/10 01:41 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	rwmckee	04/15/10 02:05 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	tudurgs	04/15/10 02:11 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	eightbore	04/15/10 02:55 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	DAM16SXS	04/15/10 03:17 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Chuck H	04/15/10 03:55 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Shotgunjones	04/15/10 03:57 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	eightbore	04/15/10 04:12 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Shotgunjones	04/15/10 04:34 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	mike campbell	04/15/10 04:00 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	rwmckee	04/15/10 04:18 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	rwmckee	04/15/10 04:21 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	EDM	04/15/10 05:21 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Samuel_Hoggson	04/14/10 10:45 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Dingelfutz	04/14/10 02:21 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	David Furman	04/14/10 02:23 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	EDM	04/15/10 05:04 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Wonko the Sane	04/15/10 05:19 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	David Furman	04/15/10 05:23 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Dingelfutz	04/15/10 05:44 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	mike campbell	04/15/10 05:59 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	eightbore	04/15/10 05:20 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	keith	04/16/10 04:13 AM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Samuel_Hoggson	04/15/10 06:11 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Drew Hause	04/15/10 07:00 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Jim Legg	04/15/10 07:21 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	rwmckee	04/15/10 08:06 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	David Furman	04/15/10 08:16 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	rwmckee	04/15/10 08:42 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	eightbore	04/15/10 09:22 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	SDH-MT	04/15/10 09:38 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Jim Legg	04/15/10 09:51 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	mike campbell	04/15/10 10:15 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	eightbore	04/16/10 12:06 AM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Chuck H	04/16/10 04:56 AM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	DAM16SXS	04/16/10 09:52 AM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Chuck H	04/16/10 12:51 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	L. Brown	04/16/10 12:54 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Jim Legg	04/16/10 01:32 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	eightbore	04/16/10 02:38 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Jim Legg	04/16/10 03:49 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	eightbore	04/16/10 04:44 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Jim Legg	04/16/10 06:24 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	mike campbell	04/16/10 05:22 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Shotgunjones	04/16/10 06:24 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	David Furman	04/16/10 06:51 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	mike campbell	04/16/10 08:24 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	L. Brown	04/16/10 08:41 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	eightbore	04/16/10 10:17 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	eightbore	04/16/10 10:29 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	mike campbell	04/16/10 11:00 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Jim Legg	04/16/10 11:29 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	DAM16SXS	04/17/10 02:04 AM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	L. Brown	04/17/10 11:55 AM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	DAM16SXS	04/17/10 12:18 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	eightbore	04/17/10 12:28 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Shotgunjones	04/17/10 01:55 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Jim Legg	04/17/10 02:08 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Daryl Hallquist	04/17/10 02:23 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	DAM16SXS	04/17/10 04:17 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Jim Legg	04/17/10 09:03 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	L. Brown	04/17/10 10:14 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Daryl Hallquist	04/17/10 10:15 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Jim Legg	04/18/10 12:11 AM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	2-piper	04/18/10 12:53 AM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Stanton Hillis	04/18/10 02:39 AM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	mike campbell	04/18/10 04:42 AM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Stanton Hillis	04/18/10 11:13 AM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	mike campbell	04/18/10 01:47 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Stanton Hillis	04/18/10 06:13 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	mike campbell	04/18/10 08:44 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Stanton Hillis	04/18/10 09:19 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Jim Legg	04/18/10 10:01 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Stanton Hillis	04/18/10 10:16 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Jim Legg	04/18/10 10:21 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	L. Brown	04/18/10 11:29 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	rabbit	04/18/10 11:54 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Jim Legg	04/19/10 12:02 AM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	rabbit	04/19/10 12:29 AM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	L. Brown	04/19/10 12:24 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Jim Legg	04/19/10 01:50 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	J. Hall	04/19/10 03:06 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Shotgunjones	04/19/10 04:13 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	2-piper	04/19/10 06:22 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	L. Brown	04/19/10 10:51 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	rwmckee	04/20/10 03:31 AM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	L. Brown	04/20/10 11:54 AM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	L. Brown	04/20/10 01:59 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Jim Legg	04/20/10 03:50 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	L. Brown	04/21/10 01:41 AM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	2-piper	04/21/10 01:58 AM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	rabbit	04/21/10 02:46 AM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	L. Brown	04/21/10 11:19 AM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Shotgunjones	04/21/10 01:37 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Jim Legg	04/21/10 06:28 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	L. Brown	04/21/10 07:23 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	rabbit	04/21/10 11:45 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	2-piper	04/22/10 02:49 AM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	rabbit	04/22/10 03:35 AM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	L. Brown	04/22/10 12:33 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Pete	04/22/10 03:29 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	2-piper	04/22/10 05:08 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Wonko the Sane	04/22/10 05:49 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	L. Brown	04/22/10 10:37 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	mike campbell	04/23/10 03:04 AM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	2-piper	04/23/10 03:32 AM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	L. Brown	04/23/10 11:51 AM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	2-piper	04/23/10 12:34 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	L. Brown	04/25/10 11:23 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	2-piper	04/26/10 12:52 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	L. Brown	04/27/10 01:00 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	2-piper	04/28/10 01:43 AM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	2-piper	04/20/10 03:55 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	J. Hall	04/20/10 05:19 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Wonko the Sane	04/20/10 06:09 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Jim Legg	04/20/10 06:39 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Wonko the Sane	04/20/10 06:59 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	mike campbell	04/20/10 07:42 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Jim Legg	04/20/10 07:58 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Samuel_Hoggson	04/20/10 09:22 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Pete	04/21/10 01:22 AM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Chuck H	04/17/10 01:56 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Chuck H	04/16/10 02:44 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	2-piper	04/17/10 08:34 PM
Re: I read it in a magazine...	Shotgunjones	04/20/10 08:07 PM

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