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I will have to go dig out the guns and try and take some pics. I also have and extra set of Ithaca Flues barrels Marked SB&Co-G, any one have any ideas on the G.
I will try and get some pics on that also.
Thanks,
Craig

The little bug (SB&Co) shows up all over the place. I have never heard of SB&Co-G until now. Craig, if you can post pictures I know I would find them interesting. At one time, I believed I had this figured out. Now, I am only sure that I don't.... I had thought the rhombus was associated with SB&Co. After all of Raimey's digging and questioning, I no longer believe that. Presently I am leaning towards the idea that the rhombus was an exporter / importer mark. The problem is that the more guns that surface with these marks, the harder it is to put it all together. If, as you say there indeed is an SB&Co-G mark, well.... back to square 1 again.

Pete

Pete, I sent a pic to Raimey, and will send one to you also, along with a pic of a Lefever mark I had not seen before.
Daryl, I was wrong, I was thinking of ADH on the Baker barrels.
As an aside, as I am pulling out guns to photo, my wife wonders by and tells me if you can't remember things you must have too many!Think I will go shooting!
Craig

Havener's Lefever and then Ithaca:


Lefever with what looks to be 4 "C"s in the quadrants of a pair of crossed hammers.


Ithaca and it is a "G" and not a "C".

PeteM:
I think we are making progress and are approaching the bottom followed by an upswing in answers. When we know all the questions, then we can attach the answers.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Do we have these "SB&Co.?" marks:

"SB&Co. C"
"SB&Co. G"
"SB&Co. P"
"SB&Co. T"

Have a missed one or added one?

Kind Regards,
Raimey
rse

In 1894 Sanderson Brothers Steel Company of Syracuse used the brand name "Sanderson Bros. & Co." with C.H. Halcomb as president & treasurer, W.F. Belknap as secretary and selling agents Hawkridge Brothers of Boston as well as D.G. Gautier & Co. of New York.

D.G. Gautier & Company, selling agent of Sanderson Brothers & Co. with some relationship to the Talcony Steel Company(
http://www.workshopoftheworld.com/tacony/tacony_ordnance.html)

http://books.google.com/books?id=TX0DAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA116-IA8&lpg=PA116-IA8&dq=d.g.+gautier+%26+co.&source=bl&ots=4WV4Coxx4e&sig=NJJWSmpibDdiPAeK7fZBo9n3jm0&hl=en&ei=jhPCS7SrFsX_lgfMx8GJAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CAoQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=d.g.%20gautier%20%26%20co.&f=false

By the way an Edmund Leavenworth French, born on Ocotber 12th of 1870 in NY City, who attended the Royal School of Mines in Freibert, Saxony of Germany looks to be an intergral part of the Sanderson Brothers & Co., as well as the Crucible Steel Company of America.

So just a wild, wild guess could C, G, & T, as I don't have anything for P(Park Steel Company but connection to S B & Co.?? but were into special steels at the time the Crucible Steel Company absorbed them or Park Brothers with "Black Diamond" trademark? from 1902), be for:
C - Crucible Steel Company
G - Gautier
T - Talcony; with these letters being the facility or company where the steel was sourced? This is all based on the assumption that "S B & Co." would be the brand stamp of Sanderson Brothers & Co.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Enlargement and rotation of the mark on the Lefever tubes:



Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Drew:
Back to your Belgium source question: are there L.C. Smith examples with "SB&Co. LLH" post the beginning of WWI, when does the examples with "SB&Co.-C,G,P,T," seem to appear and are there any examples stamped "SB&Co.-C,G,P,T" coupled with "LLH"? Would you think that the designation for "SB&Co." could be time dependent and for S. Buckley & Co. until a certain date and then for Sanderson Brothers & Co. thereafter?

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Brother: you mostly lost me when you wandered off after this new fangled fluid steel stuff
We've found pre-1913 Smith barrels with SB&Co P and C
We've found post-1913 barrels with the crown over a 'D' mark of Jean-Baptiste Delcour-Dupont of Nessonvaux.
We've found post-1913 with LLH as late as 1940.
No SB&Co with LLH.

Interesting that an example hasn't surfaced with both "SB&Co." and "LLH" stamps.






Samuel Buckley & Co. London Laminated - http://www.smokewagonsupply.com/buckley_double/index.htm



I don't know what the oval/mark is beside the "Crown" over "BP" but one expects to see a "SB&Co." stamp on the examples Samuel Buckley(Wilfred Buckley by this time) & Company peddeled or would the stamp equate more with articles exported from his houses in Liege & London? Any why would there be a "C, G, P, T" after the stamp on an article exported/imported by Samuel Buckley & Co.?

Address for Samuel Buckley & Co. in 1915 - http://books.google.com/books?id=AkEuAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA109&dq=samuel+buckley+%26+co.+liege&cd=3#v=onepage&q=samuel%20buckley%20%26%20co.%20liege&f=false

Possibly an interesting association/connection between Samuel Buckley & Co.(Wilfred Buckley probaby was the successor) and Dunlop Tyre(founded by Alexander T. Brown inventor of L.C. Smith scattergun) - http://books.google.com/books?id=sxw7AAAAYAAJ&pg=PA451&dq=samuel+buckley+%26+company+and+dunlop+tire&cd=1#v=onepage&q&f=false

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse