Actually, oldr31, when it comes to the balance of a double, "just me" is pretty much the whole story!
I felt a tremendous difference between the Valmet 412 series and the earlier models the few times I shot a 412. Seems to me like they took the strengths of the original and tried to make them too many things to too many shooters. However, I understand that few shooters other than in the US spend hours pounding the boonies in search of little birdies, so the 412 shotgun versions do make sense for clays, waterfowl, and BIG birdies like turkeys and auerhahn/blackcock/capercaillies or whatever you call them.
The 412 and its succesors are very well made, and have all the Valmet virtues including being hell-for-strong, but just a little too much of a good thing for a upland hunting, IMO. But for a Continental hunter looking at limited gun permits, the strength that allows multiple rifle and shotgun barrels makes a lot of sense.
