Yes, a smaller frame than the 00 was made by Mr. Skeuse. The 0000 frame was a little wonder gun with breech balls that barely extended beyond the frame width. They seemed to be recessed into the frame sides. It was not like the 000 frame that Parker Brothers used for the .410. From this observation, the 0000 frame may actually be wider than the 000 Parker Brothers frame. I have measured the firing pin spacing on the 0000 frame to compare with other frames, but have not compared the other 0000 dimensions with the 000 or the 00 frame. Some day we will get them all together, but, so far, we haven't done it.