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I have been playing with the camera again. This time the victim is a Shelhamer stocked Niedner Mauser in 25 Roberts. This is chambered for Ned Roberts version of the cartridge with more body taper and a shallower shoulder angle than what Remington introduced. Based on the Niedner number on the bottom of the barrel, and Mr Petrov's information, I believe barrel was made in 1935. I have only done a limited amount of shooting with the rifle, but it showed every indication that it will shoot very well.

Thanks,
John

Is the extreme bend in the pistol grip (almost to vertical) typical of Shelhammers work or do you think it was at the request of the client?

His pistol grips are generally a little tighter and more vertical than others of the time were. This one is a bit more vertical than most, likely due to it being a target/varmint rifle. I'll try and get few pics of some other shelhamer stocks for comparison if I can get the time. Weather is starting to get warmer so I'll be mowing every day shortly.

Thanks,
John

There must have been lots of confusion about the Roberts cartridge in the mid 1930's, with 2 versions and one name.

Remington produced their 257 Roberts cartridge for about a year labeled as a 25 Roberts. I think the name was changed to 257 Roberts sometime after mid-1935. I have a Rem 30 stamped 25 Roberts with barrel date of May 1935.





Bruce

The pistol grip may be a little tighter because of the DST's and the length to the front trigger.

Good point Michael. Doesn't do a thing for the look of the rifle though.
I guess they were still primarily shooters, eh?

This is another .257 by Niedner-Shelhamer that originally had DST's.

There is a lot of conflicting information on the early 257-Roberts. I've not taken the time to try to sort it out. This box is undated and marked .257 Remington. The cases are head-stamped "REM-UMC 257 REM". The word "Roberts" does not appear anywhere on the box. About 30 minuets ago this was an unopened box, I always wondered anyway what the head-stamp was ;-).

Michael,
Is your rifle the Roberts version of the cartridge, or the commercial remington version? What is your guess as to when your rifle was made?

Thanks,
John

John, Mine is a circa 1934 and although I've not shot it in some time it's a standard .257 Roberts. If I remember correctly it has a tight chamber. I had to inside neck ream my cases. It's a boring rifle, put the crosswire on a target, pull trigger bullet goes where the crosswire was. If I lived somewhere where there were varmints I would get more use out of it. One of my first Niedner-Shelhamer rifles.