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checkering...no problem if all you get is the wood. The action is the only part that's at all of an issue, right?
More to the point for someone like me, what happens if a good friend decides he wants me to stock a gun for him? We're at the range, his gun cracks at the wrist, and I offer to stock it. He leaves his gun with me for a few months and I restock it as a favor with a blank he buys. Legal? I read the law and it certainly sounded legal, but am all ears if someone can point me to a specific reference that says otherwise--I couldn't find one. (in my state at least he can sell me that gun with no transfer, no paperwork, no nuthin'--and we're completely legal)
That is perfectly legal,even if he pays you as long as your are not "in the business"
What about if my friend gives me a really nice english walnut blank in trade for my efforts? Now I'm not making money, but I'm being compensated...
Now, what happens if that friend lives out of state and hand-delivers that gun? I'm no pro and have no intention of being one, I don't make a dime since it's only a hobby I've done on my own guns, but we're starting to get a little grayer...is that gun loaned?
Thoughts?
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Q: May a nonlicensee ship a firearm through the U.S. Postal Service?
A nonlicensee may not transfer a firearm to a non-licensed resident of another State. A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. The Postal Service recommends that long guns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms. Handguns are not mailable. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun.
[18 U.S.C. 1715, 922(a)(3), 922(a)(5) and 922 (a)(2)(A)]
That is not entirely true. You CAN ship a gun through the USPS if it was made before 1898. I have done it a number of times and have looked at the regulations at the post office. Priority mail is the best way to go.
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Not to drive this even further,but;
A) There is NO requiment that you must have the FFL of the person you are sending the gun to,only that they have one.
B) You can not check a 01 FFL (C&R) on the BATF ez check site (you can call them to be sure thou)-only 03's (dealer)
C)You can ship handguns through the USPS but bothe sended and reciver must have a FFL and a seperate form (very easy)
Priority is faster,registered is much safer thou and the only way I ship guns USPS.
D) A unlicensed person may ship a gun to himself in another state (say for hunting),however for all other shipping intrastate the reviever must have a FFL. And once again,someone who does stockwork who is NOT in the business,does not need an FFL to work on your gun !
Example, I go hunting with "my brother in law" who is NOT in the business (he is in "Waste Management")but is very hand and has put a nice leather covered pad on his Parker DHE.I ask him if he will do it for me and he agrees,I leave the whole gun with him and pick in up when I see him two weeks later.No licence is required on his end,or mine (if I am unlicenced).
All correct, Dave.
However, even though I've received lots of things, including guns through USPS, I still prefer UPS. The alleged "tracking" that USPS offers amounts to: "We have received the package" and "it's been delivered", after the fact. I know when it's been delivered, because it's in my hot, trembling hands. With UPS, I know pretty much where it is and when it will arrive. I've had no problems with UPS, either, except a couple of times when an idiot was at the counter, who had no clue what UPS's rules were. I now go to a UPS "store", in a supermarket, less than a mile from my house. They accept guns with no problems and charge the same as an actual UPS counter location, so far as I have been able to determine. When I insure the package, they don't even ask what's in the package. This is as it should be, IMO. You're just betting that the package won't be lost, based on what you say it's worth. If you buy insurance on $10,000, it shouldn't matter if the box is full of dog doodoo. Again, JMO(logical to me, of course)
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Jim,
Thanks,
I totally agree UPS is sooo much better when it comes to tracking,in fact USPS really has none until its already there,like you say.I had a UPS store near me (other end of the lake) that like yours was fine with shipping guns but then one day they just stopped.I then,having sold a shotgun,cashed the check wanted to get the gun to the buyer and went the USPS route and have not gone back.Not happy with tracking at all from them and might well have stuck with UPS store had they not changed but so far nothing has been lost or broken.
I will also add I have recieved guns from UPS as well as some expensive items (watches next day air) and they arrived fine and un messed with-tracking them helped easy the worry.
Pleased as well we both agree/understand shipping/FFL rules the same. I suspect many would if they just spent the time reading the rules,like we have and not calling/asking others.
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You're quite welcome. The thing that pleases and amazes me about the ATF rules is that they all make very good sense, and are logical, with what they are trying to accomplish. This is why I have a hard time understanding why there is so much confusion among the folks who are too lazy to read the FAQs for themselves. Some dream up outrageaous scenarios to make an ordeal out of understanding the actual, fairly simple rules. Deliberately, I think. Some FFL holders also make up their OWN rules to milk some extra, unnecessary charges from their customers. Many others are just frighteningly ignorant of the rules they are supposed to know. This adds to the confusion, of course. Nothing with CYA and protecting your license but lying and making up your own rules is not proper business practice, IMO.
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