I load just over 1/2 ounce loads for my 4 3/4 pound 28 which is painful to shoot with factory loads. As I recall, I throw a .410 over powder card wad in with the shot, using a standard Winchester 28 gauge wad. I don't change the powder charge, so I imagine I get a little more velocity. They shoot and sound very good. No fuss, no muss.