As OU field guns, they're pretty heavy in 12, somewhat less so in 20. I liked the original blued receiver versions better than the current ones. Got my son one of those (started him out with sxs but he slipped over to the Dark Side) and he loves it. Saw a blued frame 20 with a straight stock at Cabela's in Owatonna the other day. A little heavy for a field 20 IMO, but the price is certainly reasonable. The 28's . . . they got the weight down pretty nicely on those.