Divers just take too much smoke and mirror recipies for my palate. Can't hardly taste the duck with the ones I've had. I've arrived at that point in my life that it's now important how I get my waterfowl. I made a commitment some years ago to pick up some old beaters. Foxes, Parkers and Ithaca shotguns in worn but sound condition for waterfowling and put away a more recent model double. And I've got to roll my own bismuth. I couldn't imagine getting away from those days on the stinking, icy, weed choked water. The only chance I have at upland is to buy them at $13 apiece. They even put nice little yellow flags where they were released. Not for me.