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Ted, j0ey goes by the picture, if he doesn't see all of the barrel in the picture - he thinks it's been cut.
He's kinda simple that way.

The few Boss guns I've had in my hands were A. From the same period, and B. Chopperlump constructed. Perhaps I have assumed, incorrectly, that that is the way it should be. As the ad plainly states, Boss was well into hammerless ejector guns by the time this was built, and every one of those I've seen is a chopperlump gun. If I am mistaken, I stand humbly corrected.

I was thinking the RESTOCK could have messed up the balance rather then the sleeving, Larry-that wood looks mighty dense. But, I'd be willing to bet it is pretty good as is. Note that you don't get a real good photo of the front of the gun and the lever-that has me a bit suspicious. But, the rest of it is beautiful. Just beautiful.

Lowell, until jOe posts a topic or a photo of something that matters, lets not worry about it too much. He seems to bring up Viagra, and cowboy 'stuff quite a bit in his posts, perhaps that is where his expertise lies. It is a big tent BBS, right? Our very own "Brokeback" BBSer? We just never know when we will need a homeless cowboy expert in the homoerotic, er, "arts". Every gallery has it's experts, and, it's peanuts...
Best,
Ted

Someone explain please what dovetailed chopperlumps are. Like a Model 21? I have not heard the term applied to any gun other than the Win. 21. Thanks Chopper

Ted seems I was drawn into "Your Gallery of experts" in this post by Thorney.

Thorney it was other members of this board that suggested you had SBS.(short barrel syndrome)... I'm not convinced that they were not correct. Nice doctored photo of your Beezley...wasn't Ted the guy that posted it for you ?
Nothing to be ashamed of Thorney size isn't everything.

The Boss is a nice gun. I wouldn't look at sleaving as a sin, It's saved and also ruined many a fine gun.
Ted I'd be more concerned with the condition of the breech face than the balance being affected by a dense piece of wood.

[quote=Ted Schefelbein] Lowell, until jOe posts a topic or a photo of something that matters, lets not worry about it too much. He seems to bring up Viagra, and cowboy 'stuff quite a bit in his posts, perhaps that is where his expertise lies. It is a big tent BBS, right? Our very own "Brokeback" BBSer? We just never know when we will need a homeless cowboy expert in the homoerotic, er, "arts". Every gallery has it's experts, and, it's peanuts...

That is the way I see it.
Casey
PS. Happy New Year avery one.

Casey...Try reading the thread before you join the 'peanut gallery'.

FWIWorth Ted

I've been shooting a Boss damascus toplever hammer gun (lettered to 1877) for some years and it was built with dovetail construction as a best gun. I think that you'll find that it was fairly common around that period with the use of damascus.

As for the gun on Champlin's site.....I'll allow that the stock is just gorgeous but you might ask about the quality of the checkering as it appears (to me) that the borders that track around the lock tails are anything but uniform. Maybe it's my old eyes, but something looks out of 'sync' there. Maybe it's just fine, maybe checkering execution isn't a big ticket item for you, but for me the most beautiful of wood won't draw my eye away from a poor lay-out for long.....which may not even be the case in this instance. I hope I'm wrong, as it is a lovely gun otherwise. And the tip above re: the (pitting) condition of the breechface is a good one on these early hammer pieces.

Robt.

I agree with Chopper, I think. A chopper lump has to be integral to the barrel forging, correct? So each barrel has half the lug, and in the case of the 21, there are surfaces milled into each demi lump which mate mechanically somewhat in the manner of a "dovetail" but have neither a full "pin" nor full "tail" as in dovetailed furniture or the "dovetail" ways of machine tools (probably should be called a "wedgelok").

jack

I think that the Rabbit is "Right-On" once more. I, also, agree with the Chopper
As for the checkering----We in the good ole USA seem to look upon checkering a bit differently than do our cousins across the pond. Perhaps this is not so true with more recent gun production, but it was with guns of this and somewhat later vintage.
We seem to consider that checkering needs to be as close to fine artwork as possible. They seemed to think that it was a utilitarian and needed for gripping the gun. Not that they wanted ugly in design (note graceful drop points), but a few slight run offs was not the end of the world.
To my mind, if it be done with a knife, all is usually right with the world.
Best,
John

Let me get back to my original point- THE THING IS $4400!

Dear Captain, how much was the Boss you are shooting? That is a rhetorical question, BTW. I'm pretty sure It would represent more than This, dollars adjusted for inflation and all that. Further, the very best, most perfect layout in the world would matter little to me if it was worn nearly smooth, missing a few diamonds, or soaked up some oil over the years. What is the state of wear to be expected in an 1877 vintage Boss gun's checkering? Show us a photo. Then, we will know.

Likewise, what is the state of checkering to be expected in a $4400 Boss? I suspect I could live with it, hell, I'd even shoot that one in the rain. Do you, or would you, use your Boss in a duckboat, or a sinkbox? A guy could use this one. Which, might not be the case if it were part of a pair that sold for 25 large.

The checkering seems to follow the the sweep of the lockplates as far as I can see. And if it doesn't? Well, a guy could comfort himself with that engraving, or that London address, or that name on the rib, or that glorious wood, or, those useful steel barrels, (are 1877 vintage Damascus tubes proofed at 850?) or the fact that It came for not a whole 'lotta dough, if you are into that 'sort of thing. If perfection is your thing, they make 'em up new to this day, go for it.

Bring more than $4400, though.
Best,
Ted