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I've got two lenghts of 9mm rimfire shotshells, both UMC if memory serves. The only US made 9mm shotgun I know of is a Winchester. Anybody know of another?
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Geno is correct about the measurements for a true 36ga. The problem is that a .410 as Miller points out has a head diameter that is close to 12mm. So there has been much confusion. You can see that Magtech continues with the confusion by designating the .410 as 36ga. The 410 is in fact a 68ga. http://www.cabelas.com/p-0031462215796a.shtmlAt one point CIP designated the .410 as 36ga. http://cartridgecollectors.org/410/collecting410.htmFor the most part, the American path to the .410 was the 44XL. I may have seen some early American, 1900-1910, single shots stamped 12mm, but never 36ga. The early pin fire Lefaucheux and Italian Marietta pistols were designated as 12mm. Pete
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I have a Winchester 9MM bolt gun, it was my Father-in-Law's gun. Model 36 I believe, I have a half a box of shells as well, they are UMC. The only other 9MM shotgun of us manufacture that I am aware of was an expiremental gun by Stevens in the 30's. I think it was originally built on the "Crackshot" platform, I have only read about them and never have seen one. Interestingly enough the Stevens version was said to be centerfire using brass cases. We know of course that the 9MM we are all used to is rimfire. My wife's grandfather raised vegetables in the '40's and '50's commercially near Forrest City IA, these were stored in underground "mines" the father-in-law tells me that the gun was used to shoot rats and like vermin. It's in pretty sorry shape, but still works. He gave me his only 3 guns when we got married as he hadn't hunted in years, and his son has no interest in guns. I am glad to have them and look forward to passing them on to my children some day.
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What size shell did the "MoSkeet" (sp) use? We shot it at Boy scout camp. As I recall it was an entire package available to camps. The shotguns were USA made.
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That was a .22 bird shot. I have one of those sets, thought it would have a high value some day. I have two boxes of targets too. Turns out they cost more than the guns some times. The one I have is a Mossberg, with the "trap" mounted right on the gun barrel. As I recall someone manufactured some kind of thrower to launch Ritz crackers awhile ago and advertised it to be shot with .22 bird shot. Neat idea....
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For some reason I want to think that Daisy also made a single shot smoothbore .22 for the MoSkeet game. I've got a postcard that shows a Scout shooting MoSkeet at Camp Hok-Si-La in Minnesota. Gun is a small single shot but that's about all you can tell from the pic. I've been meaning to give EightBore for his skeet collection.
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Here's another question: Anybody ever seen a .44XL cartridge that was paper? The ones I've got are brass with a blue celluloid bead at the mouth full of shot.
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Out there at the crossroads molding the devil's bullets. - Tom Waits
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Not a shotgun, but a smooth bore 22LR rifle.
It is one of the Remington Nylons and fired 22 LR birdshot rounds.
Rare and very neat.
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I've seen a 9mm shot barrel made for the Savage 220 shotgun; there were a few sold by Numrich Arms Co. when they sold off all the remaining odd lots of 219/220 barrels from the Savage plant in Utica. Probably made for potential export, I would guess, possibly even actually exported. Saw some other rimfires then, too (.310 Rem, 5mm Rem, .22 WRM--pretty clearly experimentals). Before then, Savage and other US mfrs. seemed to prefer the .32RF shot and .44XL shot for their versions of the "garden gun"--lots of mfrs. made small single shots for those, even a very few Win 1885s, I think.
I have a Peiper hammer "Cape gun" with a 2" .410 barrel and a rifled .44WCF barrel that you could shoot .44XL in if you wanted a wide pattern (and patchy).
Italian makers used to make special little shotguns for lark hunting! (What a lark!).
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The Ritz Cracker thrower was marketed by Orvis. I made a copy, and wasted an afternoon with a friend shooting at Ritz Crackers with M42 .410's. We broke very few crackers. When we examined the "Missed" crackers, they had been hit numerous times - they just didn't break. Maybe we should have toasted them and topped them with double cream brie cheese
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