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I think the Winchester Model 59 is usually credited with having the first successful screw-IN chokes.
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The claim is that the Roper shotgun was the 1st repeating shotgun to use cartridges. The screw on (not screw in, as Jani correctly points out) choke was a bit later. The gun pictured in the auction does not appear to have the Roper choke device.
Look closely, muzzle is threaded and text says he does not have the device. I knew it was not a screw 'in', thus my question leaving that word out of my question. Where the threads are is somewhat irrelevant. A changeable constriction that screws to the muzzle nearly 90 years before the M59.
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J Purdey has a patent #2952 (03/11/1871) "Screw-in rifled choke tube". Anyone know anything about this.
Source, Nigel Brown's "London Gunmakers".
Regards - Ian Forrester
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Well . . . the Polychoke also predated the Model 59.
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The Polychoke was of course a collet choke, not a screw-in, as I am sure Larry knows. The Cutts preceeded the Win 59 with screw-in chokes, but they of course did not screw directly into the bbl, but into the "Attachment".
I seem to recall, as Larry said, the Win 59 promoting it as having the first screw-in chokes. I never really checked them out for accuracy, but if there were predecessors they never really caught on. The Win-Choke was the beginning of the "screw-in" as we know it today I believe.
My memory is a little hazy here as I never held any interest in bolt action shotguns but I do recall Mossberg building some .410's with tubes back in the 50's at least, without a compensator body. I seem to recall them screwing onto the bbl ala Roper fashion, but they may have screwed into a sleeve attached to the bbl. Either way they would have been tubes which preceded the W-59 but don't recall them going directly "IN" the bbl.
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J Purdey has a patent #2952 (03/11/1871) "Screw-in rifled choke tube". Anyone know anything about this.
Source, Nigel Brown's "London Gunmakers". Ian, I wish it was easy to access on-line, but unfortunately, several searches did not even come close. If any one has a copy of the patent, it would be worth viewing. Pete
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Savage also had their own "adjustable choke". However, memory is currently failing me (not sure when I last saw one) as to whether they were something like the Poly, or whether they screwed into the barrel. Even available on their Model 220 singleshot.
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