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On the other hand, you can save on the meat grinder. 
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Your all wrong.
There was old German tradition to make double guns without any special requirements from client with both chokes F/F.
When Germans buy a gun, they go to the gun shop and open chokes as they want. But expensive German gun, such as Sauer Meisterwerk, usually got chokes allready opened to customer requirements.
This is as David told us about German traditions. Do you remember David?
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Well one question!! Is this really that much different from American guns. The vast majority of older double makers sent out their guns bored F/F unless otherwise ordered. German specs I have seen called for a constriction of approx 1MM for full choke.
Most older US guns bored full seem to have approx .040" constriction.
Do the Math, Note 1mm =.03937"
Do you "REALLY" see a great difference??
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Not sure how far back one would go to get F/F for standard on older American doubles. However, the vast majority of the Ithacas I've seen--and they did mark their chokes--came 2/4 from the factory (M/F). Also goes for Nitro Specials. And with Field Grades and Nitros, I'm pretty sure most of them went straight to the retailer to be sold "off the shelf" rather than as special order guns.
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The only problem shooting a close bird with a tight gun comes when you want to eat it. That and the dog having some difficulty figuring out which piece you want retrieved. Just shoot bird in head -- easy with rising pheasant, ducks, geese. Just shoot head as little bird or golf ball. Admit, is hard to do on quail, grouse, etc. -- not much to eat on quail anyway. Niklas
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I really do agree with Humpty...especially if magnumitis was not the SOP.
Still like the IC/FUL combo though, just not good enough shot for the old school set up....and I hand-load to match the day when I can.
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Tomorrow, duck hunting, I will walk about half mile to blind with pack containing some decoys, coffee, snacks, and with my 120 year-old hammer double slung securily out of way. That lightweight sling will remain on gun all day, just like it has for 50+ years.
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Well...post some pics. 
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[quote=NiklasP]
Tomorrow, duck hunting, I will walk about half mile to blind with pack containing some decoys, coffee, snacks, and with my 120 year-old hammer double slung securily out of way. That lightweight sling will remain on gun all day, just like it has for 50+ years.
Niklas
Well, finally I made 2 wheel hand cart for that and my life got much better now
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No argument there Larry. F/M is certainly a very common combination among American makers of doubles. I cannot really confirm but on another thread it was stated that L C Smiths were bored F/F unless otherwise ordered. Lefever Arms co catalogs state the same. I have owned Baker Batavias which were bored F/F & seriously doubt they were Special Order. The F/F or F/M combination likely account for well over 75% of all older American doubles.
Likewise I also believe one will see many German guns bored 1/1 (F) in one bbl with the other bored 1/2 (M). I do not see that for a given choke theirs are particularlly tighter than ours from the card & felt days.
On the few German guns I have owned the full chokes were no tighter than my US ones. The German guns were all pre WWI guns so I presume fall within the category being spoken about. Of these the only one I have had bored full in both bbls, was built for the American market, (VL&D).
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[quote=NiklasP]
Tomorrow, duck hunting, I will walk about half mile to blind with pack containing some decoys, coffee, snacks, and with my 120 year-old hammer double slung securily out of way. That lightweight sling will remain on gun all day, just like it has for 50+ years.
Niklas
Well, finally I made 2 wheel hand cart for that and my life got much better now Geno, Two-wheeled hand carts used by some duck and especially goose hunters here, usually to move decoys from truck to nearby hunting spot. Great if taking lots of decoys, especially big goose decoys, and is place where carts can be used. Many places carts cannot be used because of vegetation, fences, irrigation ditches, etc. Also, hunting on rivers, only small number of decoys often give good results -- ducks are in small groups, 2-6 or so, and decoy nicely to similar sized decoy spreads -- works really well. Sometimes in late season, when big decoy spreads spell danger to survivor birds, small decoy groups are best. Also small number of decoys lets one hunt those places that one cannot drive close to. Niklas
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