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This has turned into a anti-single trigger rant. I much prefer a single trigger. The 'instant selection' feature of twin trigers is much overrated, as is the supposed mechanical unreliability of a single trigger. The single trigger was perfected a long time ago. There is zero excuse for one that does not funcion with 100% reliability. If reliability was really a problem, one would see only twin trigger guns at important (money) shoots, this is not the case.

Selection is another matter, and again much ado about nothing.

My favorite selective trigger is on my trap doubles gun. It has a set screw preventing the selector from being moved. This might be an advantage in the field also! See bird, shoot bird, no fiddling with buttons or thinking about which trigger to pull. Anything that allows you more nanoseconds to read the target path, will help you shoot well. Make mine single, NON-selective.

I agree with Jonesy about this becoming an anti-single trigger thread.

While I can appreciate everyone having an opinion about single vs. double triggers, that wasn't the question. But you gotta admit Jonesy makes some good points about single vs. double based on facts. I'm of the same thinking of Jonesy in that I think a modern gun of known quality will have a reliable trigger, and in fact, I've only had one gun with a single trigger with problem on a modern gun. It was a '70s BSS non-selective.

But frankly, I use both types enough that I don't have a particular preference except to say I am not inclined to go out of my way to buy a vintage gun with a single trigger (although I have one).

So, back to the original question. "What Type of SST Do You Perfer?" I'll say it again another way, I prefer one with the same characteristic I value in a double trigger. I prefer one that works, i.e. it performs as it was intended. If it does that, I'm happy.

That's all the effluvium I can develop on this.

Not a big fan of single triggers on doubles. But, of those I've tried I like the Ithaca NIDs with either their Miller or the later Howland designed trigger. The safety slide is the selector -- in the middle on safe, push forward right then left, pull back left then right. I can't imagine a field situation where one could use that Fox-Kautzky or Parker Bros. or Hunter one-trigger selector slide in the right trigger slot.

Valid point - I am somewhat ashamed to admit I never thought of this before.

If merely "touching the trigger" fires a shotgun, you have a serious sear problem. On trigger-mounted selectors, the idea is that the finger is moving sideways or forward as it pushes the selector.

There seems to be no shortage of Model 21 detractors here. If accidentally touching off a round while using the Mod 21 selector was a real problem, I think we'd have heard about it by now.

Jack, the problem is in the design philosophy that allows the selector to be placed on the trigger, inside the trigger guard. Certain hazards can be eliminated with good design. The landing gear switch, for example, probably should not also function in a different mode to become the landing light switch lest someone retract the wheels on the ground whilst intending to turn on the lights.

Do we have a lot of people shooting unintended things while attempting to select which barrel will fire first? No... but everytime I use a gun so designed, and I have THREE of them, I always marvel at the thought process that figured this was a great place to put the barrel selector.

Reference NRA safety rule #2. "Never touch the trigger until ready to shoot."

I shot a Model 21 12 gauge for several years in college and after, when I sometimes shot birds four days a week and clay targets, mostly skeet, with the same gun on weekends. I don't remember ever moving the selector for any reason in the field. If I were to shoot trap, I would move the selector from the IC barrel to the MOD barrel. When I finished with a round or two of trap, I switched it back to the right barrel and it would stay in that position until I next shot a round of trap, sometimes a year or more.

I don't care that much for a double trigger either even though my Model 21 beater has one. I never wanted to take the time to decide which barrel to use after a bird has flown up and almost hit me in the face. And as far as I am concerned, who cares where the selector button is? Just put it on the open barrel to shoot first and let it go. It can't be too much easier than that. If you can't hit the bird that way, there's no sense blaming it on the fact theat you didn't have another trigger mess you up. So, when you use a pump gun, what kind of excuse can you come up with when you can't hit the bird? Or how about trying an automatic with ten shots? That might help. Things that make you go hmmmmmm.........

The question was "Hi all, just was wondering what type of Single Selective Trigger do you perfer?"

How many Poster who ranted about single triggers READ the question or even CARED about the original question?

That is ONE of the things wrong about a small cadre of Posters on this forum that has rendered this Forum just about unusable to me and I suspect others. This cadre jumps on anyone and anything that does not follow thier doctrine. These Poster's have gotton so used to this type of behavior that i suspect they really don't understand what they are doing. I have corresponded with Dave about this element and he has elected to do nothing for the present. I do not Post on this forum anymore but in this case the obvious Stepping on this Post by these individuals caused this Post. Don't bother to reply because i will not read anymore of this thread to read the coming villification. On the last RBL thread I was villified by one Poster because of a spelling/gramatical error.
So for all the double trigger, Win 21 haters and who knows what else is not considered correct by this group, keep up the negative bashing Posts and eventually you will have this Forum to yourselves. I have observed it to happen on other forums and a group of us started our own forum about another topic and we keep the Trolls and Whiners OFF the Forum and don't tolerate this type of behavior.-Dick

To answer the post, I prefer non selective or a top mounted selector as it is away from the trigger. I never switch barrels.
Addressing the point raised by dick_dup 1: Compared to the other forum, I find this one a holiday. You want your head handed to you by the hierarchy, spend a little time there. If you're not in the club aleady, lurk only. If I get jumped here I don't mind. Even good guys have disagreements or their own agendas, from time to time, myself included.