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Yes, you read that right.
A friend (now deceased) had a wreck of a Purdey hammergun brought back to wonderful condition. One really nice detail was that the the 'smith in England suggested sleaving the barrels with some damascus tubes from another gun.
The work was incredible and if you didn't look REALLY closely the pattern change from the old breach section to the 'new' tubes we almost impossible to spot.
Now my question, the gun was re-proofed, passing 850BAR (I think) nitro without a problem. But when I was looking at it I noticed it was not stamped 'Sleeved' as is the norm. I asked the owner about it and he looked surprised and looked at the gun and said he had never noticed that detail.
So do you think the proof house just missed that detail? I would assume sleeving is sleeving no matter what the barrel material, correct?
Since the owner has since passed away I couldn't ask any more questions, nor do I know where the gun is now. His son likely knows but I don't want to bother him for what is just a curiousity question.
Thanks!
Mike
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I believe it to be a mistake.
Smallbores ?
Out there doing it best I can.
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Sure it's sleeved?
I've a Greener which shows a subtle change in pattern near the breech, I believe from being a different, thicker section of tubing when the barrels were first forged - not sleeving later.
I've a John Manton 15b which shows a similar thing; you can see the spot in the pattern where the different sections were welded together.
That siad, I guess if a decent set of damascus tubes were available, it could be done.
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never mind
Last edited by Drew Hause; 09/28/09 09:17 PM.
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Not to be rude, and those are very pretty pictures but YES it was sleeved.
So back to the original question, did the proof house just miss that detail and re-proof it? Or did they forget to stamp it? What kind of paperwork does the 'smith have to file with the proof house when submitting a gun.
Just so we're clear. YES THE GUN WAS SLEEVED WITH A SET OF DAMASCUS TUBES FROM ANOTHER GUN!
Mike
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Mike, if the job was as well done as you say, I'd go with the proof house missing it.
(And the smiths forgetting to tell them) ;-)
JC
"...it is always advisable to perceive clearly our ignorance."ť Charles Darwin
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JC,
I don't have much confidence in the PM system here, but check yours.
Best,
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What is the possibility of such a procedure being performed today? Anyone interested?
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Today, you would more likely have Teague pull a new tube inside the reamed out damascus. No need to mess up the exterior of the original barrels.
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...So back to the original question, did the proof house just miss that detail and re-proof it? Or did they forget to stamp it? What kind of paperwork does the 'smith have to file with the proof house when submitting a gun.
Just so we're clear. YES THE GUN WAS SLEEVED WITH A SET OF DAMASCUS TUBES FROM ANOTHER GUN! This is the 1st example of this type of work that has surfaced. I know during the golden years of damascus it was common. Found on old article that talks about cutting out pieces of a barrel and welding in pieces from a donor barrel. I am betting it was reproofed. Would they have to restamp it back then? Pete
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