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Belgian makers produced a lot of parts for export. Enough of this trade went to England, that the English Consulate began producing estimates for their home office. However, even if the barrels were produced in Belgian and exported before they were joined, I believe they still had to be proofed. Joined barrels would have had the weight stamped on them in addition to the proof.

There may have been a way around this, but I am have seen evidence of it.

Pete

Yeah, I don't know. I still don't think it's English. No drop points, hinge pin coming in from the right - this kind of stuff says Continental to me.

1861 is too early for a hammergun of this style from Purdey. I think their first breechloading centerfire shotgun was around serial #7000. These early shotguns were back-action guns with pinfire-style hammers. They had either Jones ULs or the first patent Purdey thumbholes on them. The Purdey bolt-Scott spindle style toplever came later.

And what about the dished out action around the lump holes? have you guys seen that before?

Why would you do that?

BTW:

Here's a Purdey from around the same time:

http://www.sitemason.com/files/ejbHNu/vms309a%20purdey12.JPG

OWD

OWD:
Good call on the dishing. I have a Novotney that has that same dishing. It may be an affect of the better or Best Continental guns of that time.
Again I mention that most of the guns of this high quality were built for rarifird men of great substance. The builder would know the taste of the contractor and make cosmetic affectations that would please him.
I have not noted it on English guns, but do not intend to put the lie to my prior statement.
Let us all agree on one point. These builders were successful businessmen. They were not foolish. If someone wished a gun of London quality and engraving done someplace else, it was a piece of cake to have it if the funds were guaeanteed.
As with a couple of wonderful Russian guns that both OWD and I have held and admired, it was not rare that a gun was commissioned to be used as a political gift.
With the quality of this London marked gun with what I think is either Belgian or Italian engraving, one can see the possible origin of it.
Just reflect----We see this today. An American masterwork, an English masterwork as well as others are sent to Germany or Italy for engraving. That work, by a world master of a certain style and skill, is applied and the piece is finished.
Whatever !!! I am not going to lose sleep over this. We may never figure it out. BUT !!!! I will lose sleep thinking of its not being in my vault !!!! I would sing to it as I stroked its sensual lines and admire those lovely flowers.
Best,
John