One of the best things I've picked up on this forum was the news a few years ago that Bismuth shells were closing down and the price was going way up. I believed that tip and called Mack's Prairie Wings in Stuttgart to place an order. They said they had plenty and the price was as advertised, so I bought a slug of'em in 12 and 16 and have been shooting them up ever since in my old tight choked guns. I have a Miroku Daly with open chokes I use as my dedicated steel shot gun. The modern high speed steel 2's seem to kill just about as well as the Bismuth for me...Geo