February
S M T W T F S
1 2 3 4 5 6 7
8 9 10 11 12 13 14
15 16 17 18 19 20 21
22 23 24 25 26 27 28
Who's Online Now
11 members (eightbore, jake van dyke, BrassCase, battle, HalfaDouble, 1 invisible), 406 guests, and 6 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Statistics
Forums10
Topics39,917
Posts567,688
Members14,632
Most Online9,918
Jul 28th, 2025
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 8
Boxlock
OP Offline
Boxlock

Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 8

was any of the data Sherman Bell developed in "finding out for myself" on 10 gauge shell pressures in older guns published in a manual for reloading format? I am looking over my copy of the DGJ for the reloading informaion and it is not in a table format. Was there any follow-up data or informatin published on this topic using non-toxic shot other than Bismuth?

Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 3,971
Likes: 105
Sidelock
**
Offline
Sidelock
**

Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 3,971
Likes: 105
Mark, there was a "10 gauge group" formed from members of this board some years ago and they put together a number of loads. Perhaps some current members still have a copy they'd send you. I have one but it'll be a couple weeks before I could zap them to you.


John McCain is my war hero.
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 680
Sidelock
**
Offline
Sidelock
**

Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 680
Send me your e-mail address and I will send you a excel file with most of Mr. Bell's load data

Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 14,568
Likes: 320
Sidelock
**
Online Content
Sidelock
**

Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 14,568
Likes: 320
Sherman used some boutique components for many of his loads. It seemed to consist of components that he conveniently had on hand, not stuff that the rest of us may have or even be familiar with. A basic knowledge of powder burning rates would leave us rather free to create light target loads by adjusting 12 gauge loads, and use powders we have on hand. If we were to use a standard twelve gauge target load of 1 1/8 ounces of shot, enough Red Dot to give us about 1200 fps at about 9000 psi, such a combination would work as well in a slightly bigger hole, kind of like shooting the same load in an overbored 12 gauge target gun. Yup, the pressure would be a bit lower, but it should still be high enough for good sound and reliable ignition. Real heavy waterfowl loads should be tested, but lighter loads just aren't going to blow up a good ten gauge if you duplicate 12 gauge components and shot weights. A modern overbored twelve is .750 in the bore. A nominal ten gauge bore is .775, about the same difference between a nominal twelve and an overbored twelve. I actually pump up my ten gauge loads from twelve gauge specs, but just a little. Remember, you didn't hear it here. By the way, don't bother to search for 57 size primers for old ten gauge hulls. Just ream the primer pockets, just a little, and seat the 209 size primers so you can more easily duplicate the twelve gauge loads.

Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 8
Boxlock
OP Offline
Boxlock

Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 8
I never received the excel spreadsheet of the light pressure 10 gauge loads Mr. Sherman bell developed. My work e-mail address is:

staffordma@od.nih.gov

Please copy my wife at:

hbstafford@anthc.org

and perhaps it will make it to her on my behalf

thanks

mark

Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 2,859
Sidelock
**
Offline
Sidelock
**

Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 2,859
Mark,
Get some 10/12 GaugeMates and you can shoot 12 gauge shells in your 10 gauge. There was a thread about GaugeMates just in the last week or so. I used to shoot Winchester AA Featherlites in a damascus barreled 10 gauge I owned, since it's like shooting an overbored 12 gauge, I may have been able to use stronger loads but I never tried.
Steve


Approach life like you do a yellow light - RUN IT! (Gail T.)
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 406
Likes: 1
Sidelock
**
Offline
Sidelock
**

Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 406
Likes: 1
Has anyone pubished information concening how much pressure is reduced when firing a 12 gauge shell in a 10 ga. using Gauge-Mates or Chamber-Mates?

If the internal barrel volume of the 10 ga. is 20% greater than the 12 gauge, will the pressure therefore be 20% less?

Can this be calculated? Or does it need to be accurately measured via machine?

JERRY

Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 680
Sidelock
**
Offline
Sidelock
**

Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 680
Mark the information is in both your and your wife's in-boxes as I received out of office replies from both.

Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,234
Sidelock
**
Offline
Sidelock
**

Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,234
What fun is it shooting 12 gauge shells in a 10 gauge? Gimme the real stuff!

DLH


Out there at the crossroads molding the devil's bullets. - Tom Waits
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 680
Sidelock
**
Offline
Sidelock
**

Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 680
You've got it Big Boy. Kind of like going from boxers to tighty whiteys. Keeps you all scrunched up.

Page 1 of 2 1 2

Link Copied to Clipboard

doublegunshop.com home | Welcome | Sponsors & Advertisers | DoubleGun Rack | Doublegun Book Rack

Order or request info | Other Useful Information

Updated every minute of everyday!


Copyright (c) 1993 - 2024 doublegunshop.com. All rights reserved. doublegunshop.com - Bloomfield, NY 14469. USA These materials are provided by doublegunshop.com as a service to its customers and may be used for informational purposes only. doublegunshop.com assumes no responsibility for errors or omissions in these materials. THESE MATERIALS ARE PROVIDED "AS IS" WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EITHER EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANT-ABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, OR NON-INFRINGEMENT. doublegunshop.com further does not warrant the accuracy or completeness of the information, text, graphics, links or other items contained within these materials. doublegunshop.com shall not be liable for any special, indirect, incidental, or consequential damages, including without limitation, lost revenues or lost profits, which may result from the use of these materials. doublegunshop.com may make changes to these materials, or to the products described therein, at any time without notice. doublegunshop.com makes no commitment to update the information contained herein. This is a public un-moderated forum participate at your own risk.

Note: The posting of Copyrighted material on this forum is prohibited without prior written consent of the Copyright holder. For specifics on Copyright Law and restrictions refer to: http://www.copyright.gov/laws/ - doublegunshop.com will not monitor nor will they be held liable for copyright violations presented on the BBS which is an open and un-moderated public forum.

Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5
(Release build 20201027)
Responsive Width:

PHP: 7.0.33-0+deb9u11+hw1 Page Time: 0.092s Queries: 35 (0.059s) Memory: 0.8471 MB (Peak: 1.9014 MB) Data Comp: Off Server Time: 2026-02-25 18:29:12 UTC
Valid HTML 5 and Valid CSS