Originally Posted By: Ted Schefelbein
Larry,
http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbt...;gonew=1#UNREAD

How's your math?

By the way, have you EVER heard of a problem with the Western Arms iron frame?

Handled perhaps half a dozen BSS guns, and shot league with two of them-trigger trouble on both guns. Even when it works, it isn't what you would describe as a good trigger. Kinda' crunchy, as I remember.

Noticed you didn't argue the point of even a lowly 311 in 16 being far more lively than a BSS in 12.

Wouldn't be because a BSS is a fat pig, would it?

Best,
Ted


Ted, do they have a lot of trouble with apples and oranges up there in Minnesota? Just having elected a comedian to the Senate, following a rassler as governor, I can understand you guys have problems. But you really don't know that a Bowood is not a 700? Price on the Bowood was 1606--pounds, not dollars--in 1980, at which time a pound was worth a bit less than $2.50. So Ted, YOU do the math: $2.50 x 1606, compared to the current asking price on the Bowood; vs $400 for a BSS Sporter 20ga in 1980, compared to the current value (I've seen asking prices over $2,000.) Or, for that matter, even a standard BSS 12ga purchased at the same price, selling for $1,000 now. Looks to me like the % increase in value is in favor of the BSS. Heavily so, if one was smart enough to buy the Sporter model, especially in 20ga. Just to help a poor Sotan out with stuff like different models of shotguns, history, math, etc.

And can't say I've ever heard of a problem with a Western Long Range iron frame . . .any more than I've heard of any "roll pin" issues on a BSS. Looks like a tossup to me. As for the trigger, I've always felt that the BSS has one of the best ST's available on any modestly priced sxs. I'd take it LONG before the ST on either a Parker Repro or a Winchester Model 23.

Whether a 311 16 is livelier than a BSS 12 . . . depends on the vintage of the 311 (never cared much for their triggers, for that matter), and the configuration of the BSS. I'd take a 12ga Sporter over a 311 in that department, for sure. Not to mention the fact that the BSS doesn't have a problem with excessive drop, as do the stocks on older 311's, as well as some Nitros and Long Ranges.

12ga Standard BSS is far from my favorite. As noted above, I'd much sooner take an SKB 100, saving both weight and money. And I'd take an SKB 100 WAY before a 311, Nitro, or Long Range. But again, we're having apples to oranges issues here. 311, Nitro and Long Range--standard issue, that is--did not have ST and ejectors. What's on the market today, with those features, that's a better buy than a BSS 12? Nothing, as far as I know.