I think I remember contributing to this same conversation sometime back on this or another board about fire rated safes. Some of you still do not get it(moats). Forget about the false sense of security you have about your guns going throught a fire in a fire rated safe. I have seen guns go through a fire in a quality fire rated safe and as you can see in the photos referred about, you will not want them anyway.

These safe makers have instilled a con job on you that a fire rated safe will protect your guns! ( They even have the gonads to charge you more for this phoney protection!)Check again pilgrims, in the photos and the link above and see what a good job the fire rated safe has done!

John Boyd
Quality Arms

Last edited by arrieta2; 05/25/09 12:16 PM.

John Boyd
Quality Arms Inc
Houston, TX
713-818-2971