Eightbore, how do you manage to do that? I have a large stock of used Remington ones and pass them through a re-size die that I had made. I have some Winchester cases but find that the re-sizer does not make them fit for some reason. I have not gone into why in detail. As I have several hundred of these Winchester ones and would like them for use with black powder can you tell me how you peel the outer layer away? Such a process would prove most useful. Thanks. Lagopus.....