I know most are talking about the trap machines, but my comments will be regarding the available hand models. George is right on about extending the handle on the plastic tossers. A two hand grip on the extension and you have a teal riding a downwind. Brother and I have had contests on who could chuck it the farthest. Without the extension, you are a threat to bystanders and the shooter. Our experience has been the old Winchester and Remington hand traps are the best. Preference is to the Remington model that has the folding carrier. Once getting the knack, it throws a good presentation with the best accuracy of any handheld. Winchester with the mid mounted coil spring is pretty good, needs a good arm, not as accurate as the Remington, but good none the less. Rem and Win can be found at most sporting goods, antique shop, and E-bay always has a bunch. Just my opinion. Randy
