Two seasons ago I made a mess of a goose with my 1880's vintage ten. After taking the advice of some very good folks here I wound up shooting one ounce of #2 bismuth over 4 drams of FF Goex, fiber/card wads and roll crimp. No idea about velocity but it was easy on gun and patterned perfect for decoying greaters.

Best,
Mark




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