Yup- Joe is that also known as "Columbaire"- say some fotos, believe in a Bob Brister book-a real wiry Chi Chi Rodriguez lookin' hombre, bet he could put that "paloma" on the moon. Reason I mentioned Chi Chi- John Daly and the "Big Bertha" group nonwithstanding, in his career no one could equal his distance off the tee- all springs, muscle and "whang leather"- Also appreciate the comment from the other gent-never raced pigeons, so have to experience there, but his remark about their not landing in the cowpoop, but staying airborne at Lord knows Mach 3?- makes sense. I also hunt Winter/Spring crows in those same farm areas, use decoys in the pooped snowy fields, and the barn pigeons will land right next to the "K-Mart Krows"- well, some of them land and stay, if you get my drift.