doublegunshop.com - home Forums General Discussion DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com Insane prices all around...

Capt Curl;
"No argument from me. I wouldn't want any of the three guns you point the finger to. The difference in some gun dealers and some used car dealers is in name only!"

The car dealers have a saying that could well fit some guns/dealers

"There is a ass for every seat"

Steve is a little too high on these type of holland's

I know two other dealers that have these vintage era holland's with original damascus barrels intact and are in proof and they are priced in the 10's. very reasonable for the quality you get.

If by trade you mean either scott's or Robertson supplied actions then stocked by robertson, fine by me, I have one and they are of exceptional quality.

the early hammerless royal's are what put holland on the map and when you think of the possibility that john robertson himself could have finished and stocked your gun......kind of gives me goosebumps.

H&H

H&H
I too love the early Hollands and Binko's gun in particular but 400N is right, the 1920's gun was made at the zenith of of the Holland factory's gun making abilities. That era Holland sidelock's design, form and funtion is timeless. The 1950's gun is sst, assisted opener, all the bells and whistles. If there are other like guns for sale then it is time to compare measurements, condition and price.

400NE,

I agree, this is not exactly apples and oranges, and mine is not a, "trade-built 1890 "Royal"", it was a "bespoke weapon built for the Balmoral Estate in Scotland and has a trail of history neither one of those mentioned H&H's can match, so I believe it is actually worth more, and I wouldn't trade even with Steve for either one of them. Now, considering that there "MIGHT" be a difference in "Market Value", I sincerely doubt you could find anyone, except Steve and you, that would think that those 2 H&H's are worth 5, that's FIVE times, or 500% more than mine. I think your statement is very ambiguous and lacks knowledge of market value, and I also still think that Steve Barnett's prices are VERY high. Those 2 H&H's are at least DOUBLE the price they should be offered at!!!

binko

PS - Ho-jOe - Yes, I am still "STARRY-EYED" with the H&H name...but I'll never pay $15,000.00 more for one than it's worth, just to say I own an H&H.

Oh Yes.........I agree as well. I was offering current or more correct examples to compare with binko's. all in all it's worth what someone will pay you for it!!!!!! just because some people don't agree with a seller's price doesn't mean that it isn't worth that price, just not to that person.

The 20's era hollands are a beautiful sight to behold!!!!

An 1890 Holland "Royal" is a trade built gun. Holland was a retailer then, their guns built for them by others. That changed gradually after the factory was built in 1893, and Holland became a true maker recognized for London "bests". Still, they continued to retail the work of others as well.

A great many "bespoke" guns were ordered from gunmakers that were, in fact, only retailers. The specifications were simply passed onto the trade maker that the retailer ordered the gun from. William Evans, W. J. Jeffery, Army & Navy, Holland (to the mid-1890s), and others are well known for this, and most in the London trade did so at one time or another. "Bespoke" doesn't mean "best" nor does it imply that the gun was even built by the maker that signed it.

A 1920s Holland Royal is a true London best, as is an 1890 Purdey SLE. The market recognizes them as such, and generally values them accordingly. Not so an 1890 Holland Royal. The market has never held them in anything like the same esteem. You're trying to make a comparison where none exists.

Very we put and accurate.

Another point is condition- I have looked at at least one of Steve's H & H that are in discussion here and the condition is excellent.

You pay for not only the name but also condition and that is worth quite a bit to some people.

If you do not value the gun in the same light you do not have to buy it.

400 NE & APS,

Ya'll are skirting the question of SB's prices. Let's say there is a difference in market value, considering this, would a 20's H&H be worth 5 times the price of an 1890's if the condition of each was equal? I doubt it, and that leads to the obvious next question which is, is the price on SB's 2 H&H's too high or not??? That is the question, so please address that point and let's not get into what someone that really fell in love with the gun would pay for it, cause that same scenario applies to mine. Let's stick to a normal person looking to purchase a best gun for him or herself to have the prestige of owning one of the top 3 sxs's in the world, brand exclusive?

Now, is his price too high or not??? I think it is, you may not, and, in that case, we'll just have to agree or dis-agree, ok?

binko

I believe Steve's prices are on par with other dealers of that level.

Look at Galzan, Safari, Ivory Beads.... All the prices are on par for simular items on average.

You are also looking at asking price- auctual price will usually be lower if the dealer has room.

I have done a fare amount of business with Steve and have never left a deal feeling other than good.

al

No need to, so I didn't comment on Barnett's prices. I simply observed that your attempt to compare guns that aren't comparable couldn't yield any valid conclusions.



Might be a little high, but it's in the ballpark.



High condition pre-war Royals trading in the 30s are common. Those are Barnett's asking prices and, I'm sure, are somewhat negotiable. I think they're a little high, especially so the game gun, but not a great deal. Certainly not as overpriced as yours is.