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Conversely, I have seen genuine Krupp tubes with the factory mark on the underside, Marked a cheaper steel on the top of the barrels. Have one Baker marked Homotensile steel that way. These were usuall LLH or similar from Belgium. In the period it was manufactured, barrel blanks were hard to get due to the unrest in Europe. Guess they just used what they had, or maybe were not proud to mark the Krupp name at that time.

Ok...I will explain why and hopefully close the subject,..like I said on my rant the gun was a total mess, a lousy re-stock job, the "new" inletting was full of acraglass which was also stuck all over the internals,..a real top shelf job by one of the local "craftsmen". The action and lower rib were loose,..bbls had been hot blued and the trigger guard was no longer the original one, the bbls were otherwise ok with no major integrity issues. I bought it specifically for this project after I had read SDH's book and saw his little Fox.
This is a Savage era Sterlingworth, so the finish on it was not what you usually see on the early ones,..the engraving was shallow in some areas and very deep in others that's why some of the original lines were incorporated in to the new engraving. The bbl stamp however was totally botched,...they were stamped twice one over the other and I could easily see that the one below said Krupp,...it was ugly, but at that point the thought of removing it had never crossed my mind.
I did all the work myself and it took me better part of a year to get there,..I shot the gun while in the white and it was just perfect.
I was doing very little engraving at the time and the only real good engraver I knew wanted nothing to do with guns anymore so I had to beg him do the work on it for me, I gave him total artistic freedom but only asked that he put the word Fox in bold letters at the bottom of the frame to somehow balance the no longer existing "Fox Sterlingworth" on the sides,..I paid him a good penny for what he did, which was not a lot, but it was well done and it didn't overpower the gun, I thought it complemented it well and it looked classy,..the problem was that now the stamp stood out even more, especially when he said --" !what are you going to do about that!?? "...don't know.. "I said". I couldn't strike it, it was too deep,...couldn't leave it!....was too UGLY!! .. that's when I found my micro welder a guy that works mostly on repairing dies and moulds worth 100's of thousands of dollars,..this guy can weld a pit on the head of a pin, figure I could trust him with my project.

Since asking the engraver to do the lettering for me was no longer an option, I had to choose something simple but nice that I could do myself without making a mess
I took the lower stamp for being the correct one because it was there first, and the Savage people had stamped over it...why they did that only they could tell

Today I could repair a damaged factory stamp and it would be difficult for someone to tell,...at the time it wasn't an option.

So I built this thing to showcase all my work, from the leather pad and wood work to the case colours and Yes!,.. the bbl lettering,.... I did all of it except the main engraving


So,..there you have it if you want to chastise me for choosing the wrong words, fine ,...but I think 29 days hanging from a rope would be a bit too harsh

...........And like Frank, I'm done here as well

Best to all

CJ, I think your lettering work is top notch. That quality is not easy to do or find.

CJ if Krupp was already there, I don't have a problem relettering it. Nice work.
Jeff G.`

Just for the record this is post "Two" of this thread. Post one asked how to deal with
My original statement was made purely on these two posts. Now I have been accused to being "Hasty" at jumping to conclusions. I simply took a man at his word when he stated ""I filled/tig welded the stamp over and engraved something more subtle where the stamp used to be "".
Now based on these two posts, I believe anyone with an open honest mind would have to agree I would have been some kind of Idiot to arrive at any other conclusion than I did, IE one stamp was filled, another substituted. It is also noted that ""if you look at the first picture, you can faintly see the weld"" That 1st picture is no longer there. I did look at that picture & as I recall in that Faint Weld, the word Sterlingworth could be made out. I didn't see Krupp.
Now please understand, I am not saying the gun did not have the double stamp, only that I based my statement on what evidence had been given. Given the same list of what I "Took to be Facts", I would likely make a similar statement again.

"So I built this thing to showcase all my work, from the leather pad and wood work to the case colours and Yes!,.. the bbl lettering,.... I did all of it except the main engraving "

And a beautiful piece of work it is! Congratulations on your multi talents. To be highly accomplished in so many areas is rare.

More often than not, many of these varied tasks on custom pieces are sent out to other specialized craftsmen/women to be completed.

I'm im total agreement with Kutter ...........

I guess I thought I was done,....you see what? where?

Again go back & very carefully read post 1 & 2. Look at the length of the word that is filled in & think about the words Sterlingworth & Krupp. With absolutely no other input If I were to put that up, & you didn't know me from "Adams Off OX" (old southern expression) real honest now, What would you Think I had done??
There are hundreds if not thousands of people who read this board who never post. If nothing else has been accomplished I hope it has been made clear the only reason this was legitimate was that the Krupp name was there originally, although there was no reason to assume or even guess this was the case. How many Sterlingworth bbls carry a Krupp mark?
I have for instance an H grade Lefever with unmarked steel bbls, as were most of them. Lefever catalog states they came with "Carmen Fluid Steel" bbls. Grades E & higher were regularly available with Krupp Fluid Steel bbls & were so marked. For me to decide this gun would look better with Krupp stamped on the bbls & to put it there would be totally irresponsible & a complete forgery. So once more if you will be totally honest, there was no reason from the facts which had been posted for me to think otherwise than this is what had been done, nor any real reason to ask more questions.