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One of our guests this year shot a "Horton". Neat gun, unique action. It had faux? hammers, which I think were really cocking indicators? I hadnt seen one before. What do we know about them, and does anyone know where there is one for sale?
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LD many makers made guns with false hammers for a short period of time. They aren't all over the place but they come up once in a while.
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The action you are likely refering to is a gun made to Bentleys patent #17037 of 1884 it refers to a curved slot in the lock plate, in which the head of the hammer, shaped like a letter "C" swings. Its purpose was to act as a visual safety to show the position of the hammers.It was used on various actions by gun makers of the era. Guns by Turner are often used to illustrate this device.
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I'm sure Roy and Mike are correct. For part of the subject, here's a Grey patent from about 15 years earlier. What look like pinfire hammers are actually just cocking levers. Firing pins, hammers, etc are contained within the action body. 
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Daryl,I think that your Grey,s patent gun must be unique! Thanks for posting pictures of same. It is obviously of best quality.I am curious as to how the action of the gun was opened?
Was the maker, Grey of Bond Sreet,London, who later became a partner in the firm of Moore and Grey?
Cant help feeling that the gun may have been designed to attract the interest of sportsmen who were switching from P.F. to C.F.
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Roy, the gun is William Moore and Grey. It has a Jones type opener and is a 16 bore and very light. Maybe not unique, but very rare. Daryl
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Roy, here's a photo with the right lever forward in after firing position. You can see that the gun cannot be opened without putting the levers in "half cock" position. Moving the levers from the fired position to the half cock, also mechanically retracts the firing pins. I suppose both items were a safety thought in their day. 
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Here is another Moore & grey with hammer/cocking levers: 
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The gun I am talking about, looks nothing like the ones pictured. Roy seems to have described the "Horton" I used. It had "C" shaped hammers in a low profile on the lock plate. It will be visitng again soon. I'll get some pics
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This is the Bentley patent refered to in my earlier post. Thanks for the illustration.
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