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The good mews is that elephant populations are on the rebound through much of Southern Africa. And largely due to sport hunting. The ivory ban has worked because it made an exception through CITES for a hunter to bring home legally taken ivory. Two decades of bush wars gradually ended in the late eighties meaning there are now a lot of 30-50 lb bulls. Another 20 years and just a bit of luck and 60 - 80's will again be achievable. Unfortunately, as Mugabe demonstrates, any one of these countries can revert to something worse than even tribalism. In that environment, an elephant will only be so much protein.

KY. These are not targeted Elephants these are Elephants that are destroying crops and invading local Villages. Below is a Photo of the Prime example as to why these elephants as PAC (Problem Animal Control) permit's. On average these Elephant are about 30-50lbs and yes that is very small in my book as well.

Its not that there aren't heavier tuskers around its just these "Juvenile or Rouge" bulls are making life very dangerous and difficult for locals. With the Elephant populations growing my leaps and bounds this is the only way to handle the situation and still make some money without reverting to complete eradication by poachers and Ivory smuggling.

Any jobs over there protecting the wild life from the poachers???

There are jobs like that but typically they only hire former military or locals for those positions.

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I have no problem in the harvesting of these animals. I understand the reasons for it and have no problem with it. What I find offensive is the people who lament the killing of animals for any reasons but do nothing but whine about it. The tree huggers of the world. The same ones who do not want us to eat meat but wear leather shoes. I also understand the killing of one animal will mean a lot for an entire village. Crops saved, safety improved and all the meat you can eat. Just think about the amount of chitterlings in that sucker.

Click,
What planet do you live on??

The "issues" are everywhere in Zim unless you are blind in which case you have no business being in charge of a gun. Thabo Mbeke of SA dropped immeasurably in my estimation because of his support for Uncle Bob Mugabe, Zim's president-for-life who is a Marxist-neo Stalinist who rules by fear.

Zimbabwe was the garden of Africa, a beautiful county, economically sound and with a great future. Then Robert Mugabe got into power. It now is one of the biggest basket cases on that continent, with possibly the most corrupt leader (Mugabe)who has had hundreds if not thousands of people - ordinary folk, opposition politicians, religious) killed or at best beaten up. More than 7 million people are starving, despite the fact that Mugabe took over the Plaza Athenee hotel in Paris for his birthday party (best allow USD200 per head for the meal) and had the presidential suite for himself at USD15k per night.
Mugabe's wife Grace (about 40 years younger than him)is a brain-dead bimbo who studied for more than 8 years to get past year 1 in a BA degree course before being thrown out of London University, grades of 7-17% being her norm. Her main pastime is shopping (Harrods, Paris designer shops, Hong Kong, etc.) and drips designer jewellery more bling than a rapper's ho.

Mugabe has "nationalized" - read stolen - farms from local people, both black and white and given them to his friends. His wife is of the same caliber, and has taken an active part in the "land reclamation policy." This is one of main reasons why Zimbabwe is in crisis, anyone prepared to work has the fruit of their endeavours confiscated.

Some years ago, Mrs. Mugabe personally confiscated an elderly white couple's farm. Arriving at the Iron Mark Estate, north of Harare - in a convoy of black limousines - she told owners John and Eva Matthews "I'm taking over". John, 78, and his 74-year-old wife had 48 hours to pack and get out of the 2,500-acre farm they had built up over 25 years. Sent to a run-down Harare apartment in what a New Yorker would call "Projects" they had no choice but to leave and go to live with their daughter in South Africa. Black employees who asked what they should do were met with a harsh response as Grace barked: "Go and live by the river." She later sold the farm for about USD5 million (to the Libyans!) and kept the loot. Mugabe built her a new one, costing reputedly USD6 million.IN a country where there is mass starvation.

I had friends there - two of whom, an elderly couple grew up there, worked as professionals, regarded it as home, did a huge amount of good for the community were both respected and loved but they lost everything - pensions, a nice middle-class home, possessions. Now they are living here in Ireland and dependant on State handouts and charity.

I have no issues with shooting elephant, nor with a PH trying to make ends meet, but paying trophy fees in present-day Zim is like paying the Taliban to help you get an oryx. Personally I would not put a penny in the Zimbabwian Exchequer.

Anyone lives in Zim would not be in a position to respond to this post, for fear of what would (not "might") happen to them.

If you have doubts about this just Google "Mugabe shopping confiscation"

K.

K,

Your post does not fall on Deaf Ears. I too had many friends that were kicked out or forced out of there farms. I have been hunting Zim heavily since 1993 and have watched 1st hand how the country as a whole has disintegrated from its past glory days.

I am clearly stating that if you stay out of the big cities there is far lass to be concerned about. This is not stating that the entire country other than the city is 100% A OK.

I don't disagree that Mugabe is a Fascist Communistic Dictator that has ruined a once fruitful country for his own personal gain. I will continue to hunt Zim until they tell me I cant anymore...

And what about the hard-working professionals there trying to outlast an 85 year old thug, and hold onto a way of life? Should we also force them to throw in the towel and flee to a welfare state like yours by turning our backs on them?



You obviously don't know many of them.

click:

Just curious. Are you hunting with Katte (the PH in the above photo)?