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Jim if the money paid to hunt the lion goes to keeping the land available to wild animals and the game from being poached out by subsistence hunters then there is good being done. I would also think the legal number of lions allowed to be taken each year was set to a sustainable number.

This wouldn't apply to every legal lion hunt in every situation but it would tend to go that way.

I limit the number of quail I take out of a covey and the number of times I hunt a covey each year so that they will be there next year. I hunt private land. I would imagine all the people making money in the big game hunting business and the land holders would be interested in the lions being a steady source of income over decades.

Best,

Mike

My admittedly limited knowledge of hunting on the Dark Continent is that a good chunk of the money a gringo spends to shoot a lion/elephant/buffalo goes into the coffers of Idi Amin or whatever the name is of the current fat guy in the fez and Man from Aruba shirt.

amarillo mike:
I have no quarrel with your approach which is logical and makes sense:
What you have seen posted here is the Neandrthal(extinct of course) approach to species management. You don't understand "top of the food chain"? Did you take any science courses while attending high school? I could go on but I think anyone posting here with any intelligence gets the point.
Gregsy:
Idi Amin is dead!! You can look this up anywhere and find it's true. He would have probably been a kinfolk of yours since he not only believed in dispatching his enemies but in eating them as well. Guess what? NO waste.
Jim

This is a bad time in your argument to bring up the topic of intelligence.

Is the man who feels the trunk of an elephant and pronounces the elephant to be long and skinny like a snake intelligent?

There are also guys who could argue that shooting a deer is far worse than a lion; the lion at least could come around and kill you. The deer could only leave pellets on your lawn.

Ah Gregsy:
You do raise a good point. Why don't you go feel all over an elephant and report back to us in a couple of months on your findings. I suspect this may be an improvement over what you normally feel over on a regular basis. Best use some skin cream.
Jim

Jim, it was a male lion. A male can sire about a gazillion cubs. That lion may never have had a pride and may have never gotten one had he not been killed. That lion may have had a pride and lost it and never gotten another. If he had a pride at the time of his death he will quickly be replaced. In that species the number of females, the available prey, and disease are the factors controlling next season's lion population.

I say again that they could be treated like a renewable resource. Like the annual wheat harvest if you will.

GregSy I certainly concede that on average a whole bunch of the money goes into somebody's Swiss bank account rather into game habitat.

Best,

Mike

What about all the AlQaeda deer leaping into the path of speeding automobiles and crashing through the windshield. I bet deer kill more humans than lions! I think we should hire PHs carrying 470NE H&H doubles to line the US highways to protect us from this deadly scourge! Would help stimulate the economy and prove Obama is pro Second Amendment.

Best,

Mike

Sorry Mike:
But I must continue to disagree. The bottom line here is someone now has a lion rug for their den and a video that's publicly available to give the antihunters more ammunition to shut down our sport. You can go on about renewable resource etc. till doomsday but the anti-hunters will use videos such as this to raise public awarness to shut down all forms of hunting.
As hunters we are a shrinking minority and this has been the case since golf became the predominant form of male recreation. It's up to all of us as to whether we lose out entirely here.

Jim

So it is settled, the "top of the food chain" argument against hunting this male lion is invalid.

Now you argue against hunting lions because it causes anti-hunter sentiment because of the videos taken and shown on the internet? What about all the dead meat pictures showing up on this BBS? Dead quail, pheasant, chukar, dove, deer, coyotes (LastDollar), and turkey to name but a few. I have pictures of hundreds of dead birds on my PhotoBucket site. Do I need to take those down lest some easily influenced young lady stumble across them and become anti-hunting? Do you believe the butcher counter at the SuperMarket causes anti-meat sentiments and encourages people to become vegetarians? I have two stuffed pheasant, two stuffed trout, an antelope head, and a bear skin in my Den. Do I need to drape those during the annual Girl Scout Cooky drive?

I think these images and experiences help hunting much much more than they hurt it.

Come on Jim.

Best,


Mike