I have a friend who had a uncle who worked for Remington. One day out Woodcock hunting I noticed the old shells he was using and on the inside of the box they where marked slightly imperfect. His uncle gave him a case of these after he stopped hunting. Said employees could buy these at reduced cost. My buddy gave me a box and shot up the rest. I also have a box of Federal Monarchs marked seconds. I have been given old paper shell over the years and some are fine then run into misfires by the bunch. Collector price is more than what he's asking. Good luck, Bob