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"I'm a gun owner. And I believe in sensible gun control"

Well I'm a tooth owner so I guess I should believe in the tooth fairy. "Sensible gun control" is a classic example of an oxymoron. We'll wait while you look this up in a dictionary. The has been NO name calling on this thread just mindles posts by a flamer like yourself.

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"What do you consider "sensible gun control?"Be specific please"

Go ahead and answer the question. We're all ears.
Jim

Will S.:

"Why would any of you vote for anyone else" ??

I give you credit for at least admitting you voted for this fool....YOU WILL SURELY GET YOUR VOTES WORTH......

I can only speak for myself.....and I did not vote for Obama because I do not believe in..... "Unqualified, inexperienced, lying individuals or candidates"...........WHO ARE NARCISSISTIC.........

Other than that, he's probably o.k......

Good Luck there Wilbert..........

The Bushes - were no prizes - but they were the best candidates available.

I would counter that the most drug addled Hollywood meat puppet can give a good performance if they can read their lines.

"Sensible Gun Control"? Why that is any gun law that doesn't affect "ME"! There is no such thing. I see it all the time at work. There is a frighteningly large portion of the population whose foresight doesn't extend past the end of their nose.

Well said Mr. Harris, and I also hope Bro Weber keeps this issue "Front and Center"- All the folks who denied our concerns about "The Tan One" are starting to realize that we weren't just a bunch of racist paranoid gun hoarders. What's the first thing a smart Terrorist leader does when he is plotting an over throw of an existing (fill in the blank---) Correct- borrow a page from the Adolph Hitler playbook and dis-arms the populace.

Now the Potus went to NC to tell the Marines that we have a August 2011 time table to get out of Iraq. Nixon was an idiot and blew any chances for a victory for us in Vietnam, but at least he wasn't stupid enough to give the gooks our timetable. You NEVER give an enemy any intel- even as to what brand of salt fills the salt shakers in the mess tents.

And this non-military Potus is playing both sides of the street, like the hooker with a new bicycle-We are pulling out of Iraq- but at the same time, we are adding more "boots on the ground" in Afghanistan- more flags over coffins at Dover and then at Arlington-and Congress is playing into it- The dude is a great speaker- so was FDR (what a great Con man he was)and he is smart, cunning and clever. The first thing the BATF will do is control ammo sales, and you can bet the set of snap caps for your CHE 20 gauge they'll be watching gun shows looking for gun sales and swaps going on w/o the 4473 and the "Stevie Nix" checky-check- Katie- Bar the door!!

Well, truthfully Replacement, I feel pretty good. I see the vast majority here understand what we're up against and I assume this is not the only place they are voicing their opinions. I see the Messiah tumbling in the polls very early in his first 100 days. I see the financial markets falling every time he opens his mouth. I see my union brother co-workers, who were so desperate to dump Bush that they sold their soul to the devil, being unusually quiet about the moves their guy is making. I see these same folks who thought Obama would save us all from foreign trade being very subdued after he made his second trip to Canada to reassure them that the U.S. would not resort to trade protectionism. I see some of his ardent supporters nervously questioning why their taxes should bailout fat cat bankers, auto execs, irresponsible borrowers, and credit card junkies. Most of all, I see gun owners, even some I'm sure voted for this fraud, stocking up on guns and ammo even as prices are soaring. So I'm full of hope that gun owners might finally wake up and pull together now that they are getting some motivation. Many thanks to Dave for allowing this thread to remain on the front page. Better this topic than sitting on our hands until the only pictures posted here are plasma cut Parkers and Foxes courtesy of Eric Holder Gunsmithing.

Sensible gun control? Sort of like sensible censorship? Or sensible free speech, or sensible search and seizure?

what is sensible gun control. Like AG Holders empathy towards the mexicans and doing his part to stem violence on the mexican side? Hey, I have an idea, how about the mexicans employ some people control and stop their citizens from crossing into the US? Since when do we give up our rights to help someone in another country???? This is the mindset of many today.

I have an even better idea. Why dont we put the same controls ( make that "reasonable controls" ) on cell phones that we have on guns currently. After all cell phones are one of the most prevelant means of criminal facilitation. Why wouldnt everyone be willing to sign a 4473 equivilent form; after all, it would help fight crime. And of course you would have to show ID to buy minutes. And anyone under 18 couldnt buy one. Now, how many would buy into that?

And, please explain to a fellow New Yorker what would be reasonable gun laws; considering that we live in one of th emost heavily regulated states in the country already.

After all, we already have to do a background check, show ID, fill out federal forms, before we can buy a gun.
Name one other item that has the type of controls on it like firearms. hell, when you go get a prescrition filled for controlled substances you dont have to go through this goat rope.
what more restrictions would anyone propose that would be reasonable for us to perform? How about we place these purchasing requiremntts on books also???? I bet that would have the rest of society screaming. But they would be "reasonable controls". Maybe just with porn then? Naah, doubt they would agree to that either.

I ask this as a legitimate question.

The best, most sensible gun control I know of is a second hand. You know if a one hand grip does not give you enough control when shooting use a second hand.

We have had controls, read laws and regulations, on drugs since 1912. See how well that is working out? Another new drug law will no more stop drug use than another increase of gun laws will stop people who use guns in crimes from using gun in their crimes. It is all about feeling like you tried more than getting anything really done. You get to be even more PC, more caring, more loving, more for positive change.

After all the worst lines Obama ever said was we have the greatest nation on Earth, join me and change it. Were number one so lets dumb down to not make other feel so bad type logic. Or maybe his worst line was when he said he had been to all 57 States, except Alaska.

Laws do not deter. they are a means and instrument to punish offenders. Regardless of whether its guns, drugs, assualt, robbery etc.

Would the AG want to enact censorship laws if Pornogrpahy was a problem in Mexico? Why are they so intent on sucking up to every other country at the expense of the citizenry of this country?


If what Mexico is claiming, that illegal guns are coming from the US, enforce the existing law. The guns are illegally purchased and illegally sent accross the border. Wonder how they get though Mexican border checkpoints? So we pay because they have a corrupt system. Again, the law abiding citizenry of the US will pay for this. Our rights will be further eroded.

I love double guns, I also love to shoot the evil "black rifles". If it burns powder I like it.

Oh, and before we forget; cop killer bullets? all you double rifle lovers better hang on. Your 450 NE or for that matter you bolt action guys with your 375 H&H or you 30-06; all will qualify as a cop killer because they will all penetrate a level 3A vest.

so, just becuase your double isnt a concern at the moment, think again. If you dont think there are a number of draconian gun control measures in the works, you are fooling yourselves.

For Those of you who favor or are agreeable to more "sensible gun controls", what sensible measures do you feel would be appropriate or that are needed. That is taking into consideration the existing laws and procedures we have to abide by? I want to know. would you be okay with a large tax on ammo, say 300-500% as has been proposed in the past. Would you agree to one gun a month? Would you agree to pre-requisite of mandatory training beofre you can get that federal buyers permit? would you agree to mandatory inpsection of your house to make sur eyou have your guns stored properly? there's more but here are a few.
Lookingt forward to the PRO O gunners to weigh in.

A journalist friend referred this to me for my reaction, saying that will be the nail in the coffin for the pro-gun movement:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/26/us/26borders.html?emc=eta1

As always, you have my permission to FWD my reply:
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Shure enuff, that article's story do make the situation out to be Wan Beeg Suck, Senor.

It will make little difference to the public that NONE of the US guns sold are actually AK-47 fully automatic military models. Nor will comparing the numbers sold by the rogue FFL dealer Inkodosian, to the total seized make a dent in the public mindlessness. That guy is the worst sort of A-hole, and should spend the rest of his life behind bars. I AM surprized that no one turned him in, long ago. But, to the uninformed,he's prolly their image of a typical gun dealer: a sleazy cad catering to criminals.

Nor will the public note that the grenades, rocket launchers, and fully auto weapons being employed by the Mexagangs are NOT available in the US. That gear is military only, and has to come from the Mex armed forces. Or, as just as likely, further south down in ex-Sandinista country. A full auto AK-47 is available there on the thriving black market for around 50USD. It shouldn't be too difficult for a drug smuggling cartel to land all they want back home.

All that kind of info is beside the point, as is the fact that 99percent-plus of the FFL licensees are EXTREMELY careful about what and to whom they sell, including 100% standards demanded by the BATF on paperwork. Even in face to face private sale, it's SOP for MY kind of folks to ask for a Driver'sL and to kinda size up WHERE and to WHOM this 'piece' might be going. But. again, that is irrelevant to either the public or government.

I see the "Mexican" issue as a stalking horse. The government there has extremely stiff regs on guns, far stricter than the NYT apparently was informed. Private ownership is essentially for the connected, and well to do. The border area has a long tradition of flouting the central Government on this issue.

As well, there are considerable documented stories about the mishaps and prison time incurred by uninformed/unconnected US sportsman, who thinking that they were going 'down' for weekend of duck shooting, got nailed for heavy expenses [bribes], and some sleazy, scairt lockdown time. Guns troubles on the border are NOT new, but just have hit a NEW awareness with the PARA-military [and Military, in fact] drug gang actions. So, it will go as you have noted.

This is a wonderful 'wedge issue' for the Aunties. It is also, on the other side of the mirror, an excellent example of how well gun control laws don't work when the criminal element is so monied and influential. The whole world is their arms bazaar, including the supplies of their own armed force. What minor amount of armament they smuggle in from the US, is small potatoes compared to fresh cases of grenades supplied from the local commandant at the Army post.

As always, spin wins. I did notice that Pelosi has for the time being nixed the AWB bill, for whatever reasons. The Dems should be astute enough to realize that it could bog down the economic proposals currently being considered. But, have faith, the whole progression of Auntie wet-dreams will be brought out when the time is right and the populace at large is scared enuff. Another Columbine, a massacre in Mexico, some egregiously murderous act will make fine fodder. In the meantime, the hugely great population of extraordinarily law abiding gun owners will continue as they always have.

Well, this is the most I've written in some time, as I find that the effort of even thinking about this particular issue is now personally draining and counter-productive: my batteries are flat, or as one blogger put it, more or less: "I feel as tho I'm trying to plug a huge hole in the dike, with my thumb." The gun owners need a visibly united and nationwide voter uprising.

I continue to believe, that the ONE historically proven action, that can affect and forestall for a while the 'progress', is feet on the ground. Demonstrate by peacefully filling the National Mall, for a day or six. Politicians absolutely pay attention when mass numbers of their constituents are just a door knock away.

A few folks are now opening web site[s] for a 2nd Amendment march, a Million Man March, or what have you. Lots of operational issues to be figured out.

We'll see. Gun owner's at large are like herding cats: not really interested in 'group hugs' and independent more or less by nature.

Well, really gotta go now. Group hug, tho~~~!! ;~`) ;~`)

Best, John the Red