Which kind of brings us back to the original question: there are a number of older 20 gauge guns of pigeon shooting shooting proportions with no safety, so it seems to me that SOMEBODY must have shot pigeons with 20 gauge guns. Either that, or they foresaw the advent of sporting clays 60 or so years in advance. These make pretty decent clays guns. BTW, I shot pigeons in Mexico many years ago and thought it was spectacular, but pricey, fun. What's the going rate (approximately) these days?