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Historically in this part of the world, pigeon shooting was for the rich and famous, and I bet a few would do it with 20 gauges just because they could.
Not all pigeon shooting was competitive. The pigeon shooting club was a place for a business lunch or meet some friends by the end of the day, and have a few rounds at pigeons while at it. This kind of informal shooting, plus the wife or daughter being able to shoot a few, may explain some 20's pigeon guns. I saw a Belgium one for sale some time ago

HM

I'm in Hack's and Destry's debt for explaining a pigeon shoot in America. I knew they came out of a box (and maybe thrown by a man in Spain) but not that they had to fall within 35-40 yards. That changes the water on the beans right there. I wouldn't think of using a 20. My curiosity will be accommodated if I knew what happened to the score if a crippled bird flaps past the line.

KB_

I believe if a bird falls out of the ring, it's counted a miss, even if it's stone cold dead.

I've never shot flyers. If anyone would like to invite me to a shoot, please let me know.


HOS-

That listing is interesting.

Does anyone know if this is a model advertised by Fritz Kiess & Co: KERSTEN ELECTRO DELUXE LIVE BIRD SHOTGUN?

Or is this a name Julia's made up?

It sounds like an odd gun. It's a heavy 20g - 7lbs - with a standard length LOP 14.25" and bbls almost at 30". Pretty hefty. I doubt it was made for a small person.

I don't buy their claim: "It is made without safety on top tang which undoubtedly makes it a live bird gun."

Those chokes are pretty open, too.

I don't know what to make of it.


Thanks

OWD

OWD: Here's a link with pictures (hopefully). http://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/ke...1-c-zzwo9r3js0. How did you find anything about this model or manufacturer? I googled both with no success?

try this http://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/ke...-1-c-zzwo9r3js0

Yeah, if they fall out of the ring then they don't count. If you knock then down but they're crippled, when the bird boy goes out to pick them up, they flutter out of the ring they're scored a lost bird as well. They've got to be knocked down in the ring, and then picked up by the bird boys to count.

I've shot down in Indiana at a ring that didn't have bird boys. If you knocked the bird down in the ring then it counted. That's rare from my experience, only place I ever shot it was like that.

It's a tough sport, very tough. I just shot a match against John Davis in January and lost by one bird. I had a 17 bird straight run in the course of the 27 bird match and still managed to lose 22 to 23.


Destry

who in their right mind would want 20ga mod/cyl as live bird gun?
no safety makes it ole' live bird gun,.....as they say faith moves mounds of inventory.
low estimate of 9k. someone needs to put brass pipe away.

if you're interested in this ole' sport i suggest field cover and trap shooting by bogardus. i picked up copy 99 of 1500 by wolfe library classics limited edition for 15usd.

Jagermeister
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who in their right mind would want 20ga mod/cyl as live bird gun? No doubt chokes were upened up in the 70 or so years since it was built.
no safety makes it ole' live bird gun,.....as they say faith moves mounds of inventory.
low estimate of 9k. someone needs to put brass pipe away. Gun brought a little more than $10 K in 2006 Julia auction.

thanks. it's nice to know fritzie style metal graveur can bring good price.
that piece in 5&3/4lb range plus safety would make a luvly game gun.