nialmac, sorry about the slow reply. More or less anyone can go beating on a shoot; just a matter of asking around and putting the word out. Most shoots I know are often short. I go to four different ones (advantage of semi-retirement) and could go to more if I had the time. I pick up with a couple of Chesapeakes; I think it's the dogs that are in demand, not me. All the shoots that I go to are in a radius of just a few miles - there must be 20 or so shoots within a radius of 20 miles of my home. Lagopus.....