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Uberti 45-70 double rifles are acceptable (or more) quality and they were or are cheap, real cheap. I would never think about converting a shotgun when I could buy a Uberti for $1500 to $2000.

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I will try to get a hold of the owner. for more info & post it when i find out all the Particulars.


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While I would totally agree with 8-bores assesment here I believe the gun in question was not being asked about for conversion, but had in fact already been converted. I would not recommend throwing it away. Also I do not think I would buy it without the opportunity to fire it & see if it handled OK & was properly regulated. For fun guns I have had several Uberti built Colt Clones & all were very acceptabble for their price. Actually about the only flaws is where they copied "Original" Colt dimensions as regards throat vs bore dimensions etc (.45 Colt SAA).


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Originally Posted By: Utah Shotgunner

You do come up with some odd thoughts. All of those guys with small bore double rifles probably should give up deer and antelope hunting with them since they aren't dangerous game.


I prefer to think of them as logical thoughts, Utah. "Odd" is a slightly perjorative term, at least it strikes me as such.

A double rifle is a special tool designed for a special application: quick, utterly reliable second shot with a heavy bullet at modest velocity. Thus two barrels, heavy gun, points like a shotgun, bold open sights, independent firing mechanisms. This formula is appropriate for dangerous game. It's the optimal choice. For any other type of hunting, the gun is heavier, not as accurate, is comparatively lacking in range, and is much more expensive than the alternatives eg bolt action or lever action.

Yes, there are some small caliber doubles around and people do enjoy using them on deer and boar etc, esp. in the brush, but that doesn't change the premise. Some of these folks are hunting dangerous game in their imaginations in any case. Good for them, I have done it myself.

In a converted vintage shotgun, I would NOT fire modern hot 45-70 loads, stick to the very mild BP equivalents. The old 45-70 looks like a big deal but in fact it's a very slow fairly weak ctg.

Now a purpose-built modern 45-70 double rifle is another proposition, if regulated for modern hot loads. I don't want to start a raging debate here (that kept AR aflame for about a year) but Cape Buffalo have fallen to this ctg. However, if you are going to get a purpose-built gun, get a 470 Nitro or a 450-400 or even a 375 Flanged and you will have a better gun that will fetch twice the resale value of the same gun in 45-70.

So back to the original question: I would save my money and buy a real double rifle. You can get a Valmet 9.3x74R (now branded FinnClassic) for about the same money. That gun will kill buffalo all day long. And for an extra $600 or so, you can add a set of shotgun bbls.

So Utah, what were the other thoughts that struck you as "odd"?>


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I believe this gun has Killed a couple of Whitetails here in Michigan. It Handles currant Factory ammo fine. I would not load hot loads.
As for the .45-70 in & of its self if you have a Ruger #1 in .45-70, you can Hot load Almost to .458 win Levels! My Ruger is a bit abusive at these loadings.!! But I would like everyone to Remember the .45-70 IS the Cartridge That the experts claim Killed something like 80 percent of the Buffalo. most of them shot anywhere from 100 to 700 yards or more. They Say Billy Dixon shot a Indian War chief at almost a Mile. That was witnessed & measured & I believe the books say he did it with a.45-90 wich isn't much of a step up.
please don't sell the .45-70 short I have hade mine for 8 yrs now & have NO intensions of ever giving it up.


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Speaking of DRs in general; while the heavy DG variety is the most talked about and admired, the "silent majority" of DRs now made are light doubles intended primarely for hunting non-dangerous game. Thousands of such rifles are made by French, Italian, Russian and German gunmakers and most are bought by European hunters, for European game. -Jani

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But I would like everyone to Remember the .45-70 IS the Cartridge That the experts claim Killed something like 80 percent of the Buffalo. most of them shot anywhere from 100 to 700 yards or more.

Hey, that's nothing HRenegade!! Kevin Costner shot buffalo from horseback on the run at what appeared to be a few hundred yards with a Henry, which unless my memory has totally departed was always made in the rather anemic .44 Henry Rimfire Flat. Kevin and the movie makers couldn't possibly have misinterpreted history for the benefit of entertainment - could they?! Seriously, I concur with your assessment of the 45-70. It is not a round to be scoffed at. I have one of the Pedersoli double rifles in this caliber that I intend to hunt hogs with next year in easter NM and west Texas.


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Yes, Dances with wolves was a good movie, but to a era history buff there was a lot of mistakes in that movie.!!
Not to sidetrack but I have one of the knives Kevin Costner used in that movie. Almost every Knife in that movie was made by a Michigan Knife maker. He is retired now. I have been very lucky my Parents & he & his wife are friends, that is how I came to get the knife. I was asking him about a knife & he gave me this one.!


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Check out gunbroker.com Item # 61671227. These are not sleeved but made the old english style.


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