And the light goes on! Thanks, Stan. By the way, as I explained on another thread, Ithaca did not use the miserable excuse for coloring because they liked it. According to a factory memo published for our enjoyment in one of Walt Snyder's books, the correct method had been lost over the years and the shop supervisor instructed his gunsmiths in the use of a torch to refinish Knick single barrel receivers when they came in for service. I sold a 4E to a friend who sent it to Ithaca in the 80s for refinishing. It came back with a hideous torch job that just ruined the gun. A professional blue job would be much preferred to "hideous".