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The old Lyman moulds 308403/311403 were listed in their early cast bullet handbook as designed by H. Pope for use in the .30-06. Presumably for barrels with the 1:14 twist. They do not shoot all that well in the standard 1:10 twist barrels. When we get a little of that global warming up here I'll try that out and report back. Thanks to you and Terry for reminding about this. 
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Is that buttplate an aluminum copy of the NRA Sporter plate? Yes it is Mark, because the King stock is so much narrower than the NRA stock I don't think I could make a steel one fit.
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Michael, the old time procedure for 308403 was to use an already expanded case and cut away some of the inside of the case mouth, just enough to hold the lower half of the base band. The recommended load was 11.0 grains of SR80. An equivalent amount of SR4759 ought to work out well. 403 is a tapered bullet, so it's pan lube unless you have one of the special lubricators. I have no recommendations for lube.
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Michael, the old time procedure for 308403 was to use an already expanded case and cut away some of the inside of the case mouth, just enough to hold the lower half of the base band. The recommended load was 11.0 grains of SR80. An equivalent amount of SR4759 ought to work out well. 403 is a tapered bullet, so it's pan lube unless you have one of the special lubricators. I have no recommendations for lube. Thanks, I have several lubs and pan lube.
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A day in the shop with the King.
There was a small crack in the forend, that has been repaired, it was just a hairline one but it bothered me.
I have removed the front sight hood that covered the barrel and the sight. This was held in place using a front sight screw with a head. I made a new headless front sight screw and installed that. There is a little scratching from the hood but the rest of the barrel has all the original rust blue.
I removed the scope and mount. The holes are not bad and there are no extra holes or grinding marks. I put filler screws into the scope holes. I will take the advice that I leave the holes alone and may mount something like a Noske or Unertl Hawk to shoot the rifle from rest with. Sorry folks IMO the Weaver 330 is junk and the booster just makes it junk magnified.
I robbed a Lyman 48 slide from another rifle and installed that until I can locate one for the King.
I removed the trigger over travel screw.
I disassembled the bolt, and polished the bolt, extractor and extractor collar more along the lines of a NM.
I cleaned and oiled the stock, I’m not sure if the sling swivels are original to the rifle or not but will leave them alone for now.
Pictures later tonight or tomorrow.
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The King! Does that mean you'll call the rifle Elvis?
Looking forward to seeing how the cleaned up Elvis looks.
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Elvis looks better already. The butt plate doesn't look that bad in the pictures but, I suspect, black nickle or black chrome plating or anodizing would help the appearance a lot.
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There has been some comment on the accuracy potential of 14" twist barrel on this Rifle.
For what it's worth, one of the favoured twist rates here for 1000 yard match rifles for military match shooting with the .308 Winchester/7.62 was the 1 in 14 twist. Bullets were stable to over 1000 yards - also includes handloads with 168 gr. match bullets. Would expect round nose 180 gr. bullets to work as well. Good shooters expected their rifles to keep 10 shots in under 10 inches at this distance if they did their part.
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There has been some comment on the accuracy potential of 14" twist barrel on this Rifle.
For what it's worth, one of the favoured twist rates here for 1000 yard match rifles for military match shooting with the .308 Winchester/7.62 was the 1 in 14 twist. Bullets were stable to over 1000 yards - also includes handloads with 168 gr. match bullets. Would expect round nose 180 gr. bullets to work as well. Good shooters expected their rifles to keep 10 shots in under 10 inches at this distance if they did their part. Bill I believe that the international match rifles that Pope made the 1-14" barrels for were used at that range and may have used the BT 172 bullet. I'll most likely try Sierra 168 MK and I have 2, two-diameter Pope type .30 caliber moulds to try as well, should be fun.
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