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WtS, good to see you again (yes, I can see you through your monitor)!!  For those who don't know, I stole WtS's gun's MOI when he foolishly allowed me to spin it and I have held power over him every since. WwwoooOOOooooo!  Did you give up trying to bat things out of the air with a "gittar" and return to your first love, shooting --- well, make it your second love after the lovely ---- "whatzername," i seem to have forgotten  BTW, I still have the data on your gun, should you ever change your mind.
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LOP for target guns is far more flexible than for field guns. Shooting premounted, it's relatively easy to adjust to a significant difference in LOP. Mounting in the field, in response to a surprise flush or even over a point . . . too short isn't so bad unless you're bashing your nose, but too long will usually result in catching the gun somewhere under your arm or on your clothes, and it's bye bye birdy.
Bob, I think I recall reading somewhere--maybe Batha--that dimensions for the smallbores should be different than for 12's. Especially so, I think he said, for 28's and 410's. I'm fuzzy on it, but I think it was less drop for the smaller gauges. Don't recall whether there was an LOP difference. SxS vs OU, as long as both have the same number of triggers, I wouldn't guess there would be a lot of difference.
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Bob, you're fortunate to have found one of those with a straight stock and DT. Those were options on the FAIRs (as was solid vs vent rib), but most of them were SPG/SST/VR. I saw one a couple years back at Cabela's in Owatonna, like yours plus a solid rib. Should've pulled out the plastic then and there. It was gone a week later. It doesn't matter. It would have been gone long ago anyway.  sv That from a guy who sold me a 16ga Elsie that fired when you closed it. 
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Bob, you're fortunate to have found one of those with a straight stock and DT. Those were options on the FAIRs (as was solid vs vent rib), but most of them were SPG/SST/VR. I saw one a couple years back at Cabela's in Owatonna, like yours plus a solid rib. Should've pulled out the plastic then and there. It was gone a week later. It doesn't matter. It would have been gone long ago anyway. sv That from a guy who sold me a 16ga Elsie that fired when you closed it. Still got it? sv
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LOP for target guns is far more flexible than for field guns. Shooting premounted, it's relatively easy to adjust to a significant difference in LOP. Mounting in the field, in response to a surprise flush or even over a point . . . too short isn't so bad unless you're bashing your nose, but too long will usually result in catching the gun somewhere under your arm or on your clothes, and it's bye bye birdy.
Bob, I think I recall reading somewhere--maybe Batha--that dimensions for the smallbores should be different than for 12's. Especially so, I think he said, for 28's and 410's. I'm fuzzy on it, but I think it was less drop for the smaller gauges. Don't recall whether there was an LOP difference. SxS vs OU, as long as both have the same number of triggers, I wouldn't guess there would be a lot of difference. Now, see? This is exactly the crap that I was refering to. Gauge has as much to do with drop as my shoe size. The only thing provided by that type of information is amusement. And then only if the provider is just mean. But that is the very stuff of gunning - make-believe science and hallowed BS lubricated with linseed oil. Make sure you never consult an actual published authority that knows and tells the truth like maybe Yardley. Or read a few papers over at shotgunreport that reflect the real physical universe. Be a blow to ya, I promise. JMO of course but that's the way it is anyway WtS
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Really? What does Yardley say Wonk?
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Same old Wonk. LOP doesn't make a bit of difference . . . nope, doesn't make much difference when you're shooting nothing but targets, pre-mounted. No more than gun weight matters, when you're only toting the gun from the trunk of the Mercedes to the 16 yard line.
If one accepts the late Gough Thomas as a "published authority" on shotguns, here's what he says: "Since our leading coaches and gun-fitters cannot always agree on what constitutes the correct stock for a given man, I beg to be acquitted of any intention of laying down the law on the subject." It would seem that Mr. Batha, who is a coach, has as much right to submit his opinion on the subject as anyone else--given the lack of agreement to which Mr. Thomas refers.
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Why add a Silver's Pad on a 28 ga? Gun would be a lot cleaner, to my eye, with a HRBP
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Just seems right with the straight hand and double triggers.
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Why add a Silver's Pad on a 28 ga? Gun would be a lot cleaner, to my eye, with a HRBP I was wondering the same thing. He also mentions cutting the stock for correct LOP. Seems kind of silly to cut a 28ga and then add length back with a pad, unless there are some physical issues like heart problems or a detached retina. I have a friend who is putting a softer pad on an already padded Merkel 28ga, but he's taking that gun to Argentina for high-volume doves.
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