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#130131 01/11/09 11:09 PM
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I have a W. Parker hammer, black powder gun. Gun weighs about 12 lbs.,says w. parker on side plates,London fine twist on rib between barrels, end of barrel measures 7/8". Can you post pictures on here? My phone no is 906-869-9959. Gun is not for sale. Any help with using this forum would also be appreciated.
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hey Bill hows the weather up north. i met you a few years ago at that shooting range, you had some nice guns there. here is a link to your pics. i think we got more snow down here by fox valley than you got this year. some one will help ya with a value, i'm just a lurker that loves doubles
http://s126.photobucket.com/albums/p81/billgrill/

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Your gun is most likely JABC(just another Belgian clunker), trying to fool some yokel into thinking its a "real" Parker.


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What Jim said...If memory serves, there is one so marked at a gun shop near here....Bad Shape...

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Jim knows his clunkers, welcome back Jim

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Originally Posted By: billgrill
I have a W. Parker hammer, black powder gun. Gun weighs about 12 lbs.,says w. parker on side plates,London fine twist on rib between barrels...


Parker is a veddy, veddy British name. Hawker's 1846 American edition of "Advice to Young Sportsmen" lists a gun maker: "Parker, Field, & Sons." Also there was a Thomas Parker, and the W. Parker is no doubt a "William." In other words, British makers named Parker were around long before Charles Parker of Meriden CT decided to put his name on a breech-loading shotgun.

Toward the end of the 1800s, some cheap ($11.50) Belgian guns were marked "T Parker" and "T Barker" and were sold by Sears and Monkey Wards. These guns were clearly advertised as "Cheap Belgian" and as having "Imitation Damascus barrels." No one was fooled. The entry level Parker Bro's P-grade hammer gun pictured on the same catalog page was $65.00.

There is the long-standing urban legend that foreign makers marked guns "Parker" to fool our supposedly stupid ancestors. I have debunked this so many times that I am getting weary. There is a chapter in my recent book entitled "Fooling the Public," which is case-on-point. If your gun has "London Fine Twist" on the rib it is not a cheap Belgian gun. And it should be obvious that anyone who wanted a Parker Bro's gun made in Meriden CT USA could read the London inscription on the rib.

Someone familiar with foreign-made shotguns should take a look at your gun in real life, check for proof marks, etc. This is not to say that it is valuable. But the usual (and expected) cryptic comments blowing it off as a Parker Bro's knock off do not tell the story. EDM


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If it was a 12 or even a 10 I'd say it's an elcheapo but with a big bore they just really didn't do that. I've seen other plain jane muzzle loaders with the same name and have always wondered if it wasn't an American importer bringing in plain Birmingham guns marked with his name.

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There was a William Parker, a Birmingham stock maker. There were also several W. Parker's in the USA who could have imported the barrel.
I really don't know how people decide that a gun is from a particular country without seeing it.

Pete


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