Chuck H: I meant that as a positive! The NUVI is so easy to use, and so accurate, thats its amazing. BUY ONE. On my old Martin Marietta briefcase is a sticky that says "Global Positioning Satellite System" Worked that project for a good while. We have come a long way since then. I used a plain old ETREX on my boat in Mexico and never needed anything more. I dunno what PeteM said....sounds like a Parker guy...Where have you been Chuck?