Randy: Love my 2 7/8" 10's. I shoot LC Smith a Pigeon and an Ideal both 30" guns. The Pigeon is 9 1/2lbs the Ideal is 10 1/2lbs. I am a waterfowl hunter and use my 10's for ducks and geese. I load 1 1/4oz Bismuth in Federal cut down hulls. I use a MEC 600jr loader with the short ten build up plate. I use the handload recipes from the Sherman Bell articles in DGJ a few years back.