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That is 100% correct Don- also most pre-1964 Model 70's had a 13 and 5/8" std. LOP.

Right again Joe- and if it measures accuratly, whether by a dial scale, or with a series of numbers and decimal points, who gives a Rat's Azz what they call it-if it works, that's what it is supposed to do. RWTF

I am a "semi-" double gun shooter Market Basket- and I don't apologize for my limted education as to: spelling, sintax, grammer or knowing that a Digital Vernier Caliper doesn't exist-

I won't discuss the two Parkers as they are "closed door"- But hear me out. When I grew up, there were birds a plenty in MI (Hillsdale) and CRP land and friendly farmers- You could take your Parker and your dog and put up beaucoup pheasants, miss a bunch and still come home with two fine birds. Not so today.

I am a practical man- tool and die welding, power plant code work-and I use the tool best for the job. Today, I may get one shot at a native pheasant- so I use my "Money Gun" my Dad's M12-Tournament Grade 12 mfg. 1937. Ducks, I bought the HE Fox after reading the McIntosh book "Best Guns" and I liked it- ditto an older (1922) Parker 12 Trojan- not into clays shooting, I like to kill birds, so area barn pigeons and crows and starlings are my targets- Use doubles there-

I won the Mossburgher 835 at a DU Banquet event- I never would have bought one-but now I like it, for nasty weather-and if it "disappears" like Nash B.'s famed "Bo Whooper" I can buy another one used for $250.00

By the way, why did the game agent need to check Nash's double gun for a three shot plug? Sounds like a reverse spin on Val Kilmer as "Doc" Holliday- three shots from a "two-holer" w/o opening to eject and reload.

I sold the older Trogan and bought a VH 12- 225318 for the PGCSA "date fanatics herein" 30" Full and Fuller DT-Ext refinished by Turnbull (allegedly but NOT confirmed by him) and after I sold the Fox- shoot man, I'm almost 70-still strong and no "Santa Claus" gut, but an 11 lb. shotgun (aprox)-that's more than a loaded M-1 Garand weighs, Iand I don't carry one of those around either. I did by a L.C. Smith 0E 12 (which I like better than the Parker VH-also a Turnbull restoration w/0 letter) and a Model 12 28 gauge, and stuck the rest in the bank, as I saw hard times with the Stock Market and now Big Three deal a comin'

Are you subtly hinting I should find a Winchester forum? Dave Weber allows fine shotguns here, and he has the good sense and tase to consider, as I do, the older Model 12 "The Perfect Repeater"> And in spite of utter numbnutz like Homeless Joe and Lowell Glenthorne, both of whom could *&^%-up a wet dream, I find folks like Don Moody a pleasure to read, also Old Joe, even you at times. And although he and I will never share a dram of Tullamore Dew together, your pal Eight Bore does know his shotguns, I will give him that "In Spades" as they say.

I have owned and shot and studied Model 12's all my life-does that make me an expert-Hell No. Does that make me an experienced shooter? I'd like to think so- Happy Holidays, and drop a Canada with that big 10 bore Parker for me-

Oh, the Fox went to a major chain-might be up on their list sometime, or, as I suspect, the Gun Dept. mgr. may have bought it with his discount "from the store"- Great gun, but even Nash stopped using his second Becker Magnum Fox as he aged- tempus fugits, so feets, don't be a failin' me now!!

Au Sable- of sand. I always have cold Guiness and Killian's in the fridge, just in case old Calvin "Rusty" Gates Junior should be out of Grayling- Records, like cherries, and there to be broken, not framed.

Yup- say two of those beauties at Paul's Gun Shop recently. Both solid ribs, target grade wood and solid red pat- June 1922 pat'd. Both priced close to 4 figures however.

Y'all be sure to tune in on Christmas Day when the spirits flow at an even greater rate.

There is another crowbar out there you might like it's called Winchester X-1. It has very solid feel to it. Unfortunately last one I have seen had full fixed choke barrel, no rib, 2&3/4" chamber and weight of at least 8lbs. The tag was crazzzy $499, but with features almost nobody wants it's about $275 gun.

Yeah, Fox, in the sprit of Christmas, come on over to a Winchester site if you like. Most of us ole cramugens are over there too, much to the dismay of most!
Try this:

http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/index.php?c=8

They all need to be rebuilt before you start shooting them, as well. If you find a Super X1 new in the box, with the bag of aftermarket parts you need to rebuild it, for $275, then, you might have something.
Best,
Ted

Assuming that you are referring to the ubiquitous Chinese Ringneck, there are no "native" birds in North America. They may be wild, but they are not native.

Most machinists who work in high $ environments do have the ability to correctly identify their tools. Precision in communication leads to precision in the finished product. Merry Christmas!