Thanks, but no can do. The M21 belongs to a good friend, he bought it back in 1966 from a boondock gun shop in Northern MI while on a bird hunting trip. It has a full length stock- believe it is about 14 and 1/8" LOP from the single trigger to the older red pad- the one with the June 1922 patent date.

My 1938 M12 3" has a 32" barrel and the 13 and 5/8' std. shorter LOP to the same style pad- perhaps you were thinking of that when you asked if his M21 Duck had a shorter LOP? My later (1949) M12 HD with the 30" solid rib has a std. 14 and 1/4" LOP to the same style red pad, an NO extra cavity hole bored in the buttstoc for the lead weight-

That's the fun about studying, collecting and shooting older quality Winchesters; IMO, the best shotguns and rifles ever made by a large company in the USA. I have a tool and die background, and the barrels at both breech and muzzle of his M21 Duck 12 bore are slightly heavier (greater in wall thickness by about 0.0120" at breech and 0.0070 at muzzle(s) both the same-which indicates to me great care in the manufacture of the M21- Jack O'Connor wrote about his 12 gauge M21's- he apparently preferred the 26" barrel length. To each his own.-RWTF

Last edited by Run With The Fox; 12/21/08 09:52 AM.

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