doublegunshop.com - home Forums General Discussion DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com OT - steel shot in Heavy Duck Model 12?

Oh yeah, local shop has something that would serve rather well. It's one of them heavier then hell O/U Model 101s with long barrels and Winchokes marked 'Pigeon Grade' on vent rib. Why anybody would pick that over current Miroku made 'Citori' is beyond me. Perhaps because factory at which it was made was demolished in late 80s and parts for it are no longer available?
They also have couple of Model 23s. One is 20br and second one that comes with that gem of the box is 12ga, but both have short barrels and are also heaver then hell.

Digital verniers have been around for while now, just as commonn as typoe with a dial. Very accurate and easier to use then dial vernier caliper.

Especially in that stupid outdated English system only Americans seem to use. This country should start using metric system tomorrow.

I have shot a lot of steel #2,#3 and #4 shot through a modified choked Model 97 Winchester with no issue. I have a very nice Heavy Duck Model 12 that I have not shot steel through yet but if I was going to, I would have opened up and shoot steel through all day long.

I will not shoot steel through any of my Model 21's or other older side by sides. With opened chokes, I am sure it would be fine. Not going to open chokes to find out.

Foxy - I'd run back and buy that M21 duck with the thick barrels. It must be the only one made. M21 Duck guns had 3" chambers, full chokes, and a short stock. "Thick" barrels at the breech would necessitate a wider frame size, similar to the Parker system. No such animals in the M21 world.

Last Dollar, Old Joe, and Tudurgs, I have found that the ignore feature eliminates tha dilemma you just found yourself in.

Thanks, but no can do. The M21 belongs to a good friend, he bought it back in 1966 from a boondock gun shop in Northern MI while on a bird hunting trip. It has a full length stock- believe it is about 14 and 1/8" LOP from the single trigger to the older red pad- the one with the June 1922 patent date.

My 1938 M12 3" has a 32" barrel and the 13 and 5/8' std. shorter LOP to the same style pad- perhaps you were thinking of that when you asked if his M21 Duck had a shorter LOP? My later (1949) M12 HD with the 30" solid rib has a std. 14 and 1/4" LOP to the same style red pad, an NO extra cavity hole bored in the buttstoc for the lead weight-

That's the fun about studying, collecting and shooting older quality Winchesters; IMO, the best shotguns and rifles ever made by a large company in the USA. I have a tool and die background, and the barrels at both breech and muzzle of his M21 Duck 12 bore are slightly heavier (greater in wall thickness by about 0.0120" at breech and 0.0070 at muzzle(s) both the same-which indicates to me great care in the manufacture of the M21- Jack O'Connor wrote about his 12 gauge M21's- he apparently preferred the 26" barrel length. To each his own.-RWTF

First, I didn't see him ask if the M21 Duck had a shorter LOP. He stated that it did have a shorter LOP.
Second, The M21 Duck and 12 gauge Magnum had 13 5/8" LOP as standard.

"Runs At The Mouth" is already on my ignore list, but it's not too hard to pick up on some of his drivel from the quotes...

Very Good, LD. I'll drink to that!